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This is strange behaviour,even for her being "fresh".Yesterday I went out to work my mare,I groomed her,saddled her,and went to send her in a circle around me on the lead.She went total bronc.She was almost on top of me a few times,I smacked her in the nose with the end of the lead so she would back off and stay off.She would NOT stop.I don't know what I did but she finally paused,I took that second of pause and unclipped the lead as fast as I could thinking she had to get it out of her system,I sent her around the roundpen,and she goes nuts.She went through the fence,but only had a few scratches.I unsaddled her and hosed her legs down,making sure it was the blood that made it seem worse than it was.She was fine and wanting to walk and graze.Well,it was dinnertime so i let her loose again.Afterwards my dad said he would try it with me again.He lunged her for a while and things were going great.He said to try it again,but I was hesitant to saddle her,and wanted to try with the bareback pad instead.(Heres what I was thinking:I had either cinched her up too tight or the D-ring on the cinch was too high and hit a sensitive nerve,or she was just testing me,BUT the testing me part was out of the question because she is NOT that way,she wouldn't run herself into a fence just to test me,she's never been the kind of horse to take things to a whole new level of challenge that way.)I threw it on her,and slowly cinched it up,not tight at all,I was sure it was gonna swing over her back cause it was so loose.dad sent her out,again,remember this is the horse that when she is "fresh" and had a month or winter or a few weeks off the worst she will do is a cold-backed leap or two in the roundpen,and a crowhop.She doesn't do the all out bucking unless she wants to unseat me :icon_rolleyes: even then she doesn't have to buck that hard and i'm off.:falloff: she has never bucked that hard,she seriously had all four hooves 6 inches+ off the ground every buck.We were in the middle of the pasture(not the roundpen)just in case.dad tried holding her,but she got loose,and ran directly into the fence pow:sad:this time we weren't so lucky,she had 3 feet on one side of the fence between strand 1,2 and 3.we uncinched her and dad got the clippers and clipped her out.She was such a good calm girl,she stood there and didn't panic.She has a pretty deep cut,and some others that are minor scrapes.I am ruling out fresh,cinching too high or too tight,but I'm not ruling out pain.What could cause her to do that?the vet is coming Thursday to do her teeth,and I will ask him then and see what he says,i really hope its not something major and too expensive to care for.... :cry: Any thoughts?
i figured this belonged more here than the training section...i'd be more than willing to move it if i have the wrong place for it
 

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Sounds like there is something that doesn't normally set her off going on. I think staying away from fences while trying to work with her would be safest for you and her in the mean time. Definitely ask the vet. Is there anything in the girth area that was being pinched or rubbed the wrong way? I only had a horse do something similar when a trainer cinched up a girth and caught a lot of hair into a pinch with him.

Best of luck to you both and stay safe!
 

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The fact that she so totally 'lost the plot' makes me think it was full blown panic attack and not her testing you
It sounds like she can be cold backed after any time off work so that would be a good place to start, I've had a few horses like that and they can benefit from lunging in a surcingle for a few minutes before saddling if they've had a break from work, padded girths seem to work better on them and always be really careful how you tighten it (gradually) and that you've got no folds of skin pinched
I'd ask your vet to check her back over really well though - other things like kissing spines or other spinal problems can cause the same extreme reaction and those are things that need actual treatment
 

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I would say pain and a lot of it. There was a horse boarded where I was a few years back that started that crazy bucking, plus he ran into the arena walls when saddled. I left that place before they found out what caused his issue and only heard they sold him with full disclosure to a vet. So definitely the vet needs to see this mare.

I am sorry this happened to you and hope you can find the answer.
 

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look at the bottom of the saddle and pad, for a big thorn.

consider that she might have some kind of issue like kissing spine, or a rib that is 'out' and the saddle triggers pain.

this really has to be a pain issue.
 

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' definitely agreeing on having the vet rule out a pain issue, and I could be persuaded that it was totally pain related, except for what you posted"


'She doesn't do the all out bucking unless she wants to unseat me even then she doesn't have to buck that hard and i'm off. she has never bucked that hard,she seriously had all four hooves 6 inches+ off the ground every '


Either this horse has always had a pain issue, and that pain has become worse, or there is a combo of things going on, not excluding the fact , if you let little things slide, the horse will eventually take the proverbial mile
First time she ever thought of bucking with you, any pain issue, like saddle fit, not a factor, that bucking should have been made to have consequences. It is never okay for a horse to buck with a saddle on
There have been some World champion bucking horses, that were former saddle horses, and just decided to no longer just accept a saddle and being worked.
Hopefully, the vet will give you some answers, but 'bucking when she felt like getting you off, even if no that hard, sends a red flag up for me!
 

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When a horse truly sets to bucking, they don't care as to where they go,and will buck right over you.
I almost got bucked off into a barbwire fence, as my horse started bucking blindly, through no fault of his own. Many moons ago, when I first came to Alberta, I bought a green broke horse, that I had boarded at the place I bought him at, where the usual 'cowboy, macho types hung out .
I had Tonka going pretty good, when one young cowboy said, 'it is time your horse learned to ride double', and hopped on behind me, with no warning.
Tonka started to buck, hard, and that young cowboy, trying to impress the me then 22 year old, bailed off, while yelling, 'hold on'!
Tonka was bucking blindly towards a pile of barbwire, but fortunately, when he felt that idiot bail, he stopped bucking.
Before people jump on me, let me be clear I am not saying that a pain issue is not the possible reason, just stating that there is more here at play-a horse that has been allowed, and gotten in the habit of bucking with tack and a rider.
Look also what happened the first time she bucked, when you lunged her. You un snapped that lead line, and she went at it again, then went through that roundpen. She was then re-warded-untacked and fed.
 

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i wish it was merely attitude:sad:no she is not allowed to buck with me, she did get me off twice though,yes i try to stay on,no I am not a good rider when it comes to bucking horses,yes she gets learnt a lesson when she bucks,also last time she tried bucking me off after a spook, she didn't succeed.I never let her get away with bucking,ever.Its not ok to buck whenever you feel like it and she knows that,she doesn't buck when she feels like it either,sometimes after a spook she will try to start bucking if you don't get her head right away.nothing could make her stop bucking yesterday,and she isn't the kind of horse to buck into a fence because she's being a brat,or even freaking out.This wasn't a saddle issue,because the second time I put the bareback pad on her, which is similar to this one:

It hardly weighs anything.no thorns,bees,biting insects,pokies,nothing.And yep i was extra careful not to pinch any skin,hair,or make it too tight. I see where you are coming from @Smilie and thanks for telling me that.I do try to make sure nothing slides,I know things happen sometimes and horses get away with stuff without you realizing it. I wonder what would have happened if I would have been working her in a solid wood panel corral,if she would have eventually stopped or if she was just bucking to be a brat...guess I'll always wonder.I hope the vet can shed some light on it,but I'm praying its nothing serious because if I can't afford the treatment I might be forced to get rid of her:sad: But lets not go down that road again.I'm trying to keep positive about it,and I will let y'all kno what the vet says.Meanwhile,keep giving me your thoughts,any sort of weird thing it could possibly be,it would be greatly appreciated!
 

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Before people jump on me, let me be clear I am not saying that a pain issue is not the possible reason, just stating that there is more here at play-a horse that has been allowed, and gotten in the habit of bucking with tack and a rider.
Look also what happened the first time she bucked, when you lunged her. You un snapped that lead line, and she went at it again, then went through that roundpen. She was then re-warded-untacked and fed.
i unclipped the lead to send her around the roundpen,she moved off in that direction and started bucking.I was scared,scared to death.I was shaking,i wasn't sure if there was something in the saddle pad,or something poking her so I took it off.I don't know if it was the right thing to do at the moment,but she was bleeding, and I needed to see how bad she was hurt.It felt logical at the beginning but maybe it wasn't a smart thing to do.Maybe it was dumb, I don't know...
 

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As an aside, do not use stirrups with a bareback pad! That will hurt her. Perhaps if youve done much of that, could have a bearing on the broncing. Sounds likely a saddle pain issue though to me. No, thats definitely not 'testing you', it is very real pain/fear. Im assuming by the sound of it, its not something new/different youre doing, so not fear, except that pain caused panic.
 

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This sounds like pain and if this horse has bucked you off twice, stop riding it, she knows how to buck off a person, something a horse shouldn't learn. Stop working her until the pain problem is dealt with. If no cause is found, I would send her out to a good trainer that knows she has already been mucked with and can deal with such problems.
 

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The vet came out yesterday and filed some sharp teeth and pulled her wolf teeth.That would explain her not being able to eat hay.The vet couldn't find anything wrong that would make her blow up like she did,he suggested a trainer near here that would be able to set us up for a lesson and be able to figure out what is going on.I'm going to have to wait a while since money doesn't grow on trees...:sad: My mare has to take time off to heal too.I'm just glad she doesn't have anything wrong with her, hopefully we can get to the bottom of this issue,without any accidents or bad endings.
The saddle pad in question was a different pad that I've never used on her. @loosiethere was no stirrups,we don't have a pair for it.the saddle hadn't been on her for a month or two. it fit her like it was made for her,she was way more relaxed in it.I'm no saddle fitter,so I could be wrong,but I saddled her with no pad,and it sat perfectly!I was relieved to finally have a saddle that fit her right.I'm looking into getting her finished,because I'm not experienced enough to train her,and I don't have the know how,and what if I would have been on her when she went through that fence?I think I'd been thrown by then,and possibly broke some bones:sad: thanks for the advice.We will see where this goes and hopefully its a good one from here on out.
 

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In regards to your more recent post, is this mare green?
Yes you could say she is since she has never been loped and galloped with a rider...and she is 8 yrs old...:x my main goal for getting her was basically getting her finished to where I could do lots of things with her,like my old horse,but as time went on I realized I couldn't do it.I've considered sending her to a trainer to get finished,but now this happened.money where are you when I need you?:icon_rolleyes:
 

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Since the vet found nothing wrong with her back, I'd be looking at her reproductive system, especially this time of the year since this behavior has escalated to the point of her bucking without paying attention to what she's running into. Do you track her heat cycles so you know if she is regular?
 

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Since the vet found nothing wrong with her back, I'd be looking at her reproductive system, especially this time of the year since this behavior has escalated to the point of her bucking without paying attention to what she's running into. Do you track her heat cycles so you know if she is regular?
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In the time I've had her,she hasn't acted up while in heat.her prev owner told me she is great while in heat,and she doesn't act very mare-ish.What I've noticed is that she carries her tail up,and has a prance in her step usually.She's more alert,and notices the neighbor's horses more.Thats the first few days,and then you can hardly tell she is in heat.I really don't know what else it could be, I may have to sell her because I have no confidence in getting back up or even trying,I'm scared she's gonna hurt herself or me.I don't have enough experience for one thing:sad:it's not a final decision yet.:cry:
 
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