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Ok here we go. I have a 9 year old qh all he ever did was barrell race I got him in the fall. We are haven a few issues that i need some advice on. When we are trail riding and I ask him for a stop his nose goes sky high and he starts danceing in spot and getting very mad at me. Other than that trail manners are great. My big problem is open fields out of no where he will take off on dead run and start doing tight turns and go where ever he wants untill i can get the emergency stop on him. he never buck or rears and has never thrown me. After his 'fit" as i call them he is ready to go looks like he at the gate to run a pattern. I am a trail rider and have no intention of running barrells. I have lessons twice a week ( oldest person in her barn getting lessons at 29) lol :oops:. I have been riding since i was 11 so i have been around a bit but am no trainer.
In a enclosed space like a round pen he is great and relaxed. I have just bought a round pen will be here with in 2 weeks. I have a trainer that has my other horse in trainging now and the other horse comes home next week. My trainer is willing to take on my boy when i am ready to hand over the reins ( hehe no pun intended) . But at 750.00 for 30 days i was wondering if anyone has any advice on things i can try at home before i give up. I am very WILLING to send him if need be but was hoping for some advice or suggestions.
Little more infor we ride western and tack fits good. ride in simple D ring snaffle. Vet has checked teeth and had his back looked at all with in 45 days so not a pain issue. It is a RESPECT issue i think but not sure. what should i do. And let me add these out bursts of his will happen every time we ride at least twice and always in open field ( we have 150 acres all open to ride in)

on a personal note i have sever dyslexia and try very hard to make all my posts easy to read for every one. So please if i have confused you please ask. I am looking for ideas here. I am at my wits end . My trainer says i can do this on my own that i have the abilitys but she willing to help or take him on. (she prob feels bad she just took all my money to train my boyfriends horse lol )
 

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double post sorry

i forgot to add that when leading him he walks so much faster than me he about drags me (sometimes) . I have a carrot stick and when he passes my shoulder he gets a tap with the carrot stick and we do this four hours. But i swear he knows when i do not have that stick cuz he goes back to his old pushy ways. He is a great loving horse but he just needs to slow down in every thing he does lol. He always in such a hurry
 

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Hi...

For the bolting and running problem I would say try reverse psychology. If a open space you know and with plenty of safe running space, push him into a trot or canter and ask him to stop (nice and gentle) if he does not stop push him to go faster. Then ask again for a nice stop if you do not get a good stop when you ask (only ask once per try) Push him to go faster and faster, he will get tired and want to stop, but then it to late he has had his chance, push him to go a few more time, then ask for a nice stop, if you dont get what your asking for push him to go again. After doing this a few times you will have a horse who will stop as per your request :p

As for the head throwing, maybe try a different bit? or bitless? You could also make sure you have the time to do the following.

Does he do this all the time on the trail or just when he is heading home or on his way out for a ride? The easy way to deal with that is just ask for a stop if he throws a fit turn him around and take a few steps going the opposite direction. He will soon figure out that throwing a fit does not get him what he want.

If he is doing the head throwing all the time for no reason you can find. I would try a not rough but very consistent approach. Ask for a stop and let him throw his head, but dont let him move his feet (or as best you can), keep him where you asked him to stop that means you might be doing a tight turn, backing up, going side ways.. BUT this is the important part! Only pull when you asking for the stop, then let loss, and then only pull again (dont say whao again, once is enough) when there body moves, and then let loss again once you getting the forward movement stopped. You will probly dance around like this for a half hour, but you have to follow through. He will learn that throwing his head might stop the pressure, but it comes back when he moves again... that behaviour will become pointless for him at that point.

Hope this helps...
Tanya M
 

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My gelding has the same leading problem. This fixed it in about a hour. (and a few reminders now and then)

Lead him and the moment he passes you (his shoulder passes youre), you stop moving forward and make him to a few circles around you as you stand there (dont turn you body to face him)... If he wasn't to go let him go, but he aint going nowhere, then when he comes back around to your side and is in the right leading posting to you shoulder start walking forward again, and yet again we will try to get out in front of you, make him do the circles again. He will get the idea to stay with you if he wants to get anywhere.

If you can try this, it will really help you relationship with him, it sounds like he needs to develop a more respect towards you.

 

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Thank you for the advice. Yes he thows his head at all times on the trail when stopped cuz he wants to keep going with the other horses. I have started the "board circle" is what i call it. I will make him bend in to a circle two times around than ask for a whoa again and if he moves we do it again untill he will stay put for two min. I have had so many ppl tell me is spring he a new horse to you and he just fresh let him run. Well i have no problem doing that IF i know that not going to make the problem worse. I work him everyday maybe only for 30 min but it still everyday. Sometimes i get frustrated and it cut short but it always ends on a good note. Other ppl have told me do nothing but walk with him. I ask for most of my cues with my seat so the head throwing is even more confusing to me. i have contacted old owner and she said she rode him in a tie down for this same reason I WILL NOT DO THAT cuz it just covered up this problem and got worse over time. i am going to give it till end of next week whem my mare is ready to come home from trainers and if we have not made any progress he can go the day she comes home. I am not scared to fork out the money as long as it will help him and i be safe and happy in our adventures.
 

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Since he wants to keep going with the other horses, ask for the stop and when he throws his head turn him around and head the other way for a few steps, then ask for a stop. He will easily stop cause he does not was to be going that way, turn him around and take a few steps and ask for a stop.. when the head throws up again repeat again with the same steps.. and again and again. Get the other riders to wait in sight range for you. He will learn quick that the behaviour causes effect opposite to what he wants, and he will settle down.
 

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Great thank you never thought of that!!!!! We going on a trail ride sat now i can not wait to try it. I can not wait for our round pen to arrive and get set up. It will give us a nice area to work on some respect issues and a enclosed space to work on some other issues it will make things so much easier and safer for both of us
 

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Wish you the best of luck, just stay calm and follow through, and you will be surprised how fast things like this work. But it super important to not get frustrated or upset he will feed off of this and you will have so much more work on your hands. Think of it as a game, and try your best to react with in a split second, or even before he makes the move, if you know its coming and be proactive. You will shock him (you can read his mind! LOL) he will stop trying to pull the wool over your eyes when he thinks you already know what he is thinking. LOL GOOD LUCK.. feel free to pm me if you have any more questions, I have a lot of respect for you not using equipment as a bandage, and want to get down to the truth behind the problem. CHEERS to true horsemanship !
 

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OOOOO.. and when you turn him around on the trial make him wait for a count of about 30sec to a few min, he must be calm and not fussing before you turn back around.. dont allow him to stay in that frustrated frame of mind.. it not healthy for you or him
 

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Ok got it! I am really hoping i can do this on my own. My trainer is behind me all the way but is kinda not giving me the advice i need because she says i have all the answears and abilitys to do it just need to believe in myself lol sometimes i think that is would be easier just to hand her over my pay check and say call me when he ready lol ..all joking aside i love this boy and it would do great for our bond if we can get past these issues togther and alone. But by NO means am i scared to take help or ask. My trainer is great and had done alot for my boyfriend and I and our horses. I think the world of her but think she may have to much confidence in me.
 

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I agree with Yukontanya. The reverse psychology is a real lifesaver. Take what he wants and turn into what you want. Basically its "You want to run? Okay, but we're gonna run fast and we're gonna run all the way around!"

Hehe, I ran so many horses into the ground this way and now it's "OH Mom wants to stop! Yes ma'am!"

And the leading as well. Annie is god-awful with leading. She dances all in front of you. Like yukontanya said, turm and go the other way. And also, adding to that, If he gets ahead of you take the end of the lead rope and make him move around you. (You wanna move your feet? Okay, let's move your feet! :D ) Get after him for it. I use both of these techniques and both have solved my problems very quickly.

I know I basically repeated what was previoulsy mentioned, but I figured I could share my positive input on the matter. That's exactly what I'd do, and what I have done in the past.
 

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Thank you for the advice!!!!!!
 

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72 views and only 2 people took the time to give me any advice BOOOO lol. ok bump up for the day. I am OPEN to all advice
 

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Cirlces.

Whether on the ground or in the saddle. He steps in front of you, spin him into a circle, end it facing the opposite direction. Once he's calm, turn him around back in the direction you were going.

Same concept in the saddle. I know how hard it seems if you can't get him to STOP to circle him, but just pull his nose all the way over to your leg if you have to.

Head tossing is basically him trying to evade the contact of the bit. When he does that, i would also turn him. If he doesn't want to stop, he's gonna have to dance circles. He'll soon get tired of it.

I like the reverse psychology idea as well, but if you don't have enough open space to get it through his head you may just worsen the problem.
 

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If he's an ex barrel horse putting a loose tie down on him(which I know you mentioned you don't want to do, but bear with me for a second) may help him relax and stop with the head. Many barrel horses are ridden with tie downs, not for head tossing but for balance. They give the horse a tool to balance on when making tight turns. It may help to just try one.

Also, I agree with everyone else. He doesn't want to stop? Make him work harder. If he is barn sour, make him him work hard by the barn. My guy was gate sour for a while so I made him work his tail off near the gate and now he gladly goes away from the gate and doesn't drift.
 

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Thank you i am taking this all in. I have to haul him to a lesson sat evening and we have a trail ride sat morning so i hoping to show up at my lesson with lots of ideas to put into place.
 

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I agree with everyone else. Make him run those acres if thats what he really wants lol. As for his barn sour issue, I just thought I'd add this...before you leave, work him hard in the arena first, than head out, and take it nice and slow on the trails. Now when you get back to the arena, don't just put him away, work him hard again. This basically says that on the way back home, you get to work more, so next time, maybe you won't want to rush home since the trail ride was nice and easy going. Hope you understand this lol.
 

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Yes i understand and thank you for the advice. You all have given me great things to work on. Our issues are a combo of diffrent things. Ex barrell horse new horse to me and coming off a winter with very little riding. So with all them stacked up against us he has respect issues towards me.
 

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Here's another thing. Since I don't have a lot of acreage to just take my horse in and run the **** out of her, I've had to resort to plan B, and that is, to keep her as calm as possible. Without the acreage, I've tried running her in the pen over and over, but it's too exhausting and she can outlast me, it's so much easier to go on a straight run, as stated above, and run it out of them and ask for more. So just remember, you don't always have to run them, you can do the exact opposite and keep them calm and quiet and trot the hell out of them. My mare is an ex barrel racer/pole bender and she was horrible! She's still got a go button (they will never lose that), but for the most part, I've got her under complete control.
 

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And i love that she will still have a button to go. I just want her to go when i tell her too not when she feels like it lol. I have over a 150 acres and most of it hay fields so i can run the **** out of him if that what he needs. Souds fun actually
 
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