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It was a very long exhausting day but it went great! Im extremely proud of Nova especially for this to be her very first ever show.. and she took it like a pro.. never spooked at anything and did pretty much everything that was asked of her.. or tried her best.

We got two 1st places, two 2nd places, and one 3rd place.

so so so proud.

We had quite a bit of a mishap on the 2' jumpers, her feet got moving faster then her thinking, and the first round she quite literally just crashed into basically ALL of the jumps.. so we were excused and asked to go around once more, and once I gave her more leg and focused her a bit more she cleared all the jumps nicely. :) Got 3rd either way. Out of I believe 4 people so .. eh.

It was one of those fun shows nothin serious, it was just to learn what to expect from the horses, and how to help them more for june 6th which a hunter show and this gave us a lot to work on and look forward to. Great learning experience.

Heres a still from one of the clips.


Im debating if I want to actually put up the video, because it WASNT the most graceful courses seeing that it was suppose to be a "how many jumps can you jump in 30 seconds" type class... but if you guys really want I can post it I just dont want it critiqued really.
 

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Don't put up the video mate, not worth it unless you are really looking for critique.

What happened to all the flat work you were going to do before jumping? Congratulations on your achievements but the thought of her crashing through an entire course of jumps is concerning, please be careful, both for yourself and your horse.
 

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It was because it was jumpers, and its suppose to be at a faster speed, so she got over excited, her feet got infront of her thinking. Nothing big honestly. It was 5 jumps maximum and she crashed threw 3 tops. It was mostly because I let go of all leg contact not thinking.. I was thinking maybe if I let her go and figure it out she will be able to get over it ... WRONG... she depends a lot on my leg.

Once I slowed her down a tad and put my legs back on her and supported her more she made it over the jumps very nicely.


Im doing LOTS of flat work with her almost everyday.. but she needs a change here and there and we were doing jumping and trails here and there so we have the little xrail course a try and shot for the 2' and all together she made it out nicely. Just needed more quidence from me. There was also no REAL flat classes in this show that we could enter.


SHe loves to jump anyways so why not just for the heck of it.
 

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It was because it was jumpers, and its suppose to be at a faster speed, so she got over excited, her feet got infront of her thinking. Nothing big honestly. It was 5 jumps maximum and she crashed threw 3 tops. It was mostly because I let go of all leg contact not thinking.. I was thinking maybe if I let her go and figure it out she will be able to get over it ... WRONG... she depends a lot on my leg.

Why would you ever think that a green, unbalanced horse should be doing speed jumping? And crashing through any jump is BAD for their training, BAD for their poor legs and just BAD in general. Also, why would you think that a green horse that is unbalanced and unsure of herself would be able to jump without leg??!! Seriously?! If you don't want to end up with another lame and freaked out horse...go back to the basics, stick to the flat and take some lessons from a qualified instructor that will MAKE you fill in all the holes in both your training.

Once I slowed her down a tad and put my legs back on her and supported her more she made it over the jumps very nicely.


Im doing LOTS of flat work with her almost everyday.. but she needs a change here and there and we were doing jumping and trails here and there so we have the little xrail course a try and shot for the 2' and all together she made it out nicely. Just needed more quidence from me. There was also no REAL flat classes in this show that we could enter.

Why were you even showing her? Taking her to a show and riding her in the warm-up ring and maybe around the show grounds I can see. But actually showing her and over fences just seems ridiculous to me.


SHe loves to jump anyways so why not just for the heck of it.
Maybe because neither of you are ready and you could seriously injure both of you?
I'm not trying to be mean here but you really need to think about safety and use some common sense so that both of you can live to see another day.
 

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Really, HAF? There is no point to even responding because you have made it beyond clear that you will not listen to a **** thing said that isn't a pat on the head and "atta girl". I feel sorry for poor Nova.
 

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I think it would have been one thing if you set up some cross rails in your backyard. That would have been jumping for fun. A show is a competition, and competing when your horse isn't ready makes you and your horse look bad, puts undue pressure and stress on your horse, and actually sets the both of you back, improvement wise.

If I wanted to jump Ice I'm sure that I could, he's gone over jumps before no problem on a lunge line. However he's nowhere near being show ready, so for now we're sticking to the basics of getting his w/t/c and whoa down really solid.
 

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SHe loves to jump anyways so why not just for the heck of it.
Because without establishing excellent flatwork you shouldn't even be pointing the horse at any jumps, especially competitively. The reason being is that they will not jump correctly and may end up crashing through the jumps causing injury to their legs.

Oh hang on.....

I don't mean to be harsh but I am more than a little disappointed (and somewhat surprised) that you are jumping her after all the advice that was given to you. I won't bother you with any more suggestions from now on.

Good luck and please look after yourself and Nova.
 

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Also - you don't go "faster" in jumpers. Keep a pace like in a hunter course - ride rhythmically. All you do that's different in a jumper course is you don't ride to the end of the ring - you cut turns and make shorter lines. The pace should be the same - although in the baby jumpers (under 3'0) you get idiots that run their horses around and are rewarded.
I am the hugest advocate for correct flatwork BEFORE jumping. If you can't set the horse up for a good transition on the flat - you can't properly set it up for a fence. Resulting in getting excused from the ring (!!).
 

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Nova can walk/trot/canter with almost perfect transitions ..and she now gets both leads and goes over trot poles and canter poles fine..

it was my choice she did amazing and im proud of her.

It was a FUN show.. -.- Nothing serious.
The reason why she crashed threw the jumps was because I stopped riding basically and she was really looking at me for help and I let her go thinking she would be fine. I learned from that and our 2nd time over the course went great and we got 3rd.

My horse, my choice.

She was fine and she had a lot of fun.
She got a day off the other day, and i rode her today and she wasn't even phased by the show scene.
 

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Nova can walk/trot/canter with almost perfect transitions ..and she now gets both leads and goes over trot poles and canter poles fine..
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Wasn't it only a week ago that you didn't know how to get her into the correct lead? It is your choice but you had to know that when you post that you are jumping her people are going to critisize your decision. I knew what would be said in this thread as soon as I read the title. I really don't care if you jump her or not but you shouldn't be suprised when you get some flack about it. I think that this horse is quite well broke and only needs you to rise to her level but I think what will happen is you will either never realize her true potential or you will think you did far more training on her than you actually did. I hope it's the latter rather than the former.
 

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Its not that I didnt know how to get her on her right lead, well it WAS but wasnt.. like I had to get her off her shoulder and ask.. but shes now getting both leads [sometimes with a help of a ground pole on her bad side] and doing flying lead changes and changes over jumps.

Shes extremely well broke and Im glad i bought her she just needs ..like you said someone to bring her to her full potential which is my goal. Im not 'training' her really just kinda helping her get better at the stuff she already knows. :)

but but but I cannnnn say I taught her to lunge haha! :p

I really DONT think its to early to jump her, she has the willingness, and the heart.. she just needs practice with everything really.

She got better with her leads because I did lots of practice on using her backend more and just kept working at it.. so its going to be the same with this. The more she jumps the better she will get and the more balenced.
 

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Its not that I didnt know how to get her on her right lead, well it WAS but wasnt.. like I had to get her off her shoulder and ask.. but shes now getting both leads [sometimes with a help of a ground pole on her bad side] and doing flying lead changes and changes over jumps.

Shes extremely well broke and Im glad i bought her she just needs ..like you said someone to bring her to her full potential which is my goal. Im not 'training' her really just kinda helping her get better at the stuff she already knows. :)

but but but I cannnnn say I taught her to lunge haha! :p

I really DONT think its to early to jump her, she has the willingness, and the heart.. she just needs practice with everything really.

She got better with her leads because I did lots of practice on using her backend more and just kept working at it.. so its going to be the same with this. The more she jumps the better she will get and the more balenced.
That is absolutely not true at all. If you want her to get better and more balanced over the jumps, you need to quit jumping her for a while and focus only on flat work. Maybe you should consider getting yourself a trainer.
 

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She got better on her leads because she learned how to balance with you on her back and fill in for you. No horse wants to be on the wrong lead. They don't like to feel unbalanced. I also find it hard to believe that a horse trained to ride english had never been lunged. As much as everybody on this forum talks about it I'm pretty sure that's also something she has done before.
 

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HAF - Did you honestly think you were going to get responses telling you how wonderful it is and how you are doing such a great job? Do you actually stop to think what people might be feeling and responding before you hit the button to post a new thread that disregards all the advice given to you on this forum?

The fact that she crashed through multiple jumps is proof enough that she should not have been at this show. Similar to what Kevin said about leads - NO horse wants to crash through a jump let alone multiple jumps. Most horses will get over the jump themselves or simply stop if not supported. I have never, in my entire riding career, seen or ridden a horse that has crashed through multiple jumps. It sometimes happens once, but it is rare that a horse isn't smart enough to realise it hurt and that they need to get over the next one. If that isn't happening, then it is entirly your fault as the rider and thinker of the pair for putting her in a situation she should not have been in.

I gave up trying to give you advice threads and threads ago - Back before you sold Chance. I think just about everyone else is in the same boat. You really need to think, put yourself in our shoes, before you post your threads HAF.
 

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The more she jumps the better she will get and the more balenced.
If horse is unbalanced on flat it'll be unbalanced on fences. And if she learns to jump incorrectly it'll be very hard to fix. That's why both my jumping instructors (with years and years of teaching and showing on national level) take us (me and my horse) VERY slowly to the jumping.

HAF, no offense but instead of rushing her through everything I'd suggest to take couple months of consistent lessons with the good instructor. Nova is a nice horse and I have no doubt on that, don't screw her by rushing!
 

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OMG im about ready to post the video in a minute...

She crashed through the first, went over the second, and third.. but knocked the rail because she dropped her back end to fast.. then ran out on the fourth...

We went again and she went over them all perfectly.. dear god..

and no she had no idea how to lunge, all the other guy did with her was free lunge her at a gallop over jumps..

Im pretty much done posting really because this is ridiculous.
It was a great day for both of us and she had fun and so did I and she got a lot of recognition at the show with people wanting to take pictures of her and what not. Its my choice to jump her.. and this whole show was for fun, no one got hurt.
 

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I skipped one of the jumps because it was that corner she was having a hard time with and it would have set her up to fail again.
 

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SHe loves to jump anyways so why not just for the heck of it.
This just makes me laugh.
Why not? Because you are smarter than she is so you can make decisions that involve what is best for her and you.

My horse loves to jump too. He HATES flat work. Boring....
But while doing re-hab and getting him back into shape from time off we did the dreaded flat work.
No jumping. Even though jumping is what he likes best!

Though I admit I am confused. All those other threads where HAF insists she going to do lots of flat work and all that. Why do you suppose she bothered to post that? I mean really.....
 

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I don't get it. Why take the chance now, when you could wait a few months and have her working solidly on the flat and therefore, have her better set up for jumping. I have a horse who loves to run. Does that mean that I should just let him run? No. Once he and I are solid working at a walk, we move to a trot. From trot to canter. etc etc.

I am glad that you enjoyed yourself. Now step back and think about what is best for your horse in the long run. Why risk a possibly fantastic future for one or two "fun" shows?
 
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