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Gunner had another mild colicking episode this morning. He hasn't had one for months. I'm not sure what to do. Here's the history:

September, 09, he had a mild case of strangles that was caught in enough time, and went to a nasty head cold. He was on SMZ for it, and recovered nicely.

Soon after he started having colicking episodes, some so bad he was falling over. He would blow up, have horrible gas, and blow water out his back end sometimes. I took him to the OSU vet clinic, for a full work up. They did a stomach scope, ultrasound, blood, urine, fecal, and a belly tap. The ultrasound showed his intestines were thickened and inflamed, the scope showed that he had a history of ulcers, but they were all healed and over three years old. The fecal showed a "gross overload" of strongyles. The vet prescribed the panacur power pac five day.

After that, by November, he was eating Purina Senior Grain and mixed forage hay well. He still swells up a small amount in his flanks when he eats, and gets gas. He seems to be feeling better. I decided to start him on the same glucosamine supplement Hoover gets, last week, because he has a knee that pops. He's also on U-Gard, which I don't particularly like. I feel like giving him antacids when he doesn't have ulcers is doing more harm than good.

What is going on? Why is he colicking again? How do I fix it? I'll be calling the vet tomorrow morning, but I'm not sure I trust his opinion as fully as before, since he totally missed the worms being the cause. On the full exam of Gun, he never ordered a fecal, which would have saved Gun the trip to OSU. He's a good vet, and my BO trusts him, but...I'm a little more hesitant now.
 

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I'm sort of figuring the encysted worms that the panacur didn't kill are making a reappearance...anyone do a feed through wormer? I'm looking at the strongid c2x. Strongid C2X
 

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I've used the Strongid C2X when I was at a place where other horses were just grossly wormy. I worked with a vet and we'd do a fecal on my mare once a month to see how it was doing (because of the other wormy horses she had to be around at this time), and it always came up clean or so minute that wasn't an issue so I'd say use it for awhile and see how it works for you.

Remember to start it the day after you use a paste wormer and be religious with it and don't miss a day
 

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My BO swears feed threw wormers dont do anything. and i know horses who have been on strongid for years, and they just got a fecal exam and turns out, FULL of worms.
I used to have cutter on the same strongid your looking into, but i quit using it, and i worm cutter every 60 days on a rotation schedule.

that is what i would recommend. a good rotation schedule with paste dewormers. everyone i know has stopped using feed threw daily dewormers

my horse has a sensitive digestion tract, and i have him on probios in his feed everyday, and it has done wonders helping his messy manure and gas
 

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Talked to Doc this morning, he recommended doing a double dose of pyrantel. Picked that up, and headed out to the ranch. Spent the afternoon letting Gunner graze in the yard and just soak up the nice weather. I leave, a little bit before he gets grained in the evening. Now, this is the senior grain he's been in since November with no incidents, and has actually been helping him put weight back on. We mixed in the wormer, and he also gets some U-gard at Doc's insistence.

I get a call from my BO and have to rush back. He's having another episode. He managed two bites of grain and started choking. Two spots on either side of neck swelled up like water balloons. His stomach started gassing up and getting tight, and he was looking at his sides. He started sweating and weaving, and burping loudly. We called the vet, and gave him a shot of pain killer. By the time I got back, most of the episode was over. He was still swollen up and burping, but the swelling in his neck was down, and he's stopped sweating.

My Doc is at a loss. OSU Vet Clinic is at a loss. We're starting to get afraid to feed him grain; there never seems to be any warning or trigger behind these episodes. He grazed all day on the yard fine, and had a graining in the morning. Anyone have any ideas? I have no idea how to help him. :cry:
 

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You may want to keep Fish Oil and Banamine on hand just in case he colics again. That's all the advice I can give.

Sorry for you and your horse :(
 

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Talked to Doc this morning, he recommended doing a double dose of pyrantel. Picked that up, and headed out to the ranch. Spent the afternoon letting Gunner graze in the yard and just soak up the nice weather. I leave, a little bit before he gets grained in the evening. Now, this is the senior grain he's been in since November with no incidents, and has actually been helping him put weight back on. We mixed in the wormer, and he also gets some U-gard at Doc's insistence.

I get a call from my BO and have to rush back. He's having another episode. He managed two bites of grain and started choking. Two spots on either side of neck swelled up like water balloons. His stomach started gassing up and getting tight, and he was looking at his sides. He started sweating and weaving, and burping loudly. We called the vet, and gave him a shot of pain killer. By the time I got back, most of the episode was over. He was still swollen up and burping, but the swelling in his neck was down, and he's stopped sweating.

My Doc is at a loss. OSU Vet Clinic is at a loss. We're starting to get afraid to feed him grain; there never seems to be any warning or trigger behind these episodes. He grazed all day on the yard fine, and had a graining in the morning. Anyone have any ideas? I have no idea how to help him. :cry:
Do you think it's possible that the grass he's beeen grazing on is too rich in carbs for him? Spring grass tends to be very lush. Any sudden change in diet can cause excessive gas or an intestinal upset, leading to colic. Just a thought..hope he feels better soon!
 

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My BO swears feed threw wormers dont do anything. and i know horses who have been on strongid for years, and they just got a fecal exam and turns out, FULL of worms.
I used to have cutter on the same strongid your looking into, but i quit using it, and i worm cutter every 60 days on a rotation schedule.

that is what i would recommend. a good rotation schedule with paste dewormers. everyone i know has stopped using feed threw daily dewormers

my horse has a sensitive digestion tract, and i have him on probios in his feed everyday, and it has done wonders helping his messy manure and gas
The Strongid certainly worked for me, in the most awful of conditions. Once I got them out of there they no longer get it, but when it was needed it sure did it's job. Fecals were clean. I can attest to it from experience :)

I also use feed with probiotics.. good stuff
 

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Looks like you have a very sensitive horse.
I would be very careful with sudden diet changes. Intrduce new feeds gradually.
Does he really need grain? You could substitute it with soaked beet pulp mixed with alfalfa if you need more calories. Most horses do well if not better on a forage only diet. You just have to balance minerals and trace elements.
Did you ever consider using small mesh haynets? Nibbling all day will help in keeping a consitent gutt fill and it will also prevent stomach ulcers.http://www.holistic-hoof-and-horsecare.com/colic-in-horses.html
 

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He's been on the same grain since November, Purina Equine Senior. Other than the wormer, nothing new was added. He's been on the U-Gard over a month. We're even turning the feed into a mash to help him get all the nutrition.

dop- The vet didn't feel the grass was the culprit, it's the same grass he eats out in the field, but I suppose it could be possible. He didn't start the episode until he took a couple bites of grain, however.

So today, he was fine...he was even playing in the field. I've had this horse 8 months, and none of us have witnessed him playing that entire time. I think my horse needs Doctor House. : /
 

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slowly switch him to Triple Crown Senior it is grain free and atad higher calories and lower NSC then Purina Senior it also contain probios IN the feed
 

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I agree that potential worm probs need attention, but diet & food management are general issues with colic, and you have mentioned he gets grain, gets a bit bloated when fed, so I'd suspect this is the likeliest cause. I suggest you find a good nutritionist(pref. not affiliated with a feed co) or service to consult. I actually subscribe to a great online service/program called FeedXL.com & think this is fantastic value. I'm sure there are other similar services too, if you're interested but that one doesn't suit.

Horses don't handle high starch/sugar feeds well at all. They also have a small stomach & rather quick metabolism, meaning that food stays in the stomach for a total of around 15 minutes, and if the stomach becomes more than about 2/3 full(I think from memory about 1.5L) it empties out even sooner. This means that hard to digest foods such as grain, and large meals don't get a chance to be digested in the stomach. They instead go through to the hind gut where the excess starch creates havoc.

I would be removing grain & any other sweetened or high starch food from his diet and also feeding him little & often with free choice hay. I would also ensure he has lots of exercise & free movement at all times, not kept cooped up, as exercise also aids digestion.
 
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