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Hello!

I'm hoping to get some help and feedback on a horse than I'm leaning towards purchasing.

I am an intermediate rider schooling currently at 3'. I've been riding since I was a child but took about 10 years off for college and career. I've been back at it for about a year and a half now. I haven't shown as an adult but want to start once I'm ready and find the right partner! I'm doing basic dressage and work over fences in my lessons. I'd like to eventually do both hunter and jumper classes.

I've been contemplating moving to a different trainer (thus I've gone out horse shopping on my own with input from horse friends through pictures and videos.) But this guy I'm checking out is a big purchase and I'd like as much input as I could get.

The horse is 16.1h 6 yr old gray TB. He raced twice and the owners said he wanted to look at butterflies instead of run fast and that's when she bought him. She has had him for two and half years and done all of his training. His sale ad says, "He is a promising young sport horse with exemplary movement and textbook form over fences. He excels in his work and is eager to perform everyday. No vices. No spook, bolt, rear, buck. This horse will finish to be a top contender in the equitation ring, hunter ring, derby ring or jumper ring. Super fancy enough for the professional and easy enough for the adult/childrens ring."





I have ridden him once and he was perfect. He's a really pretty mover, listened really well, engaged, good attitude, etc. I'm a little concerned that he's behind the bit too often, though. We rode in a rubber bit, which I thought was pretty unconventional. We jumped about 3' and he was pretty skittish with the jumps. He jumps about 10 feet high over each jump no matter how high it is. I'm hoping he just needs more miles over fences? The owner had me show him the jumps before we went over. He did go over each time but only got comfortable after we'd been over it a few times. I'm not at all concerned that he needs more education, I'm concerned that he's priced in the $30k's and still needs work over fences. Is this typical for nicer horses? He's within my budget but the other horses I have looked at in that price range were more comfortable over fences.

The owners are the nicest people and I would be doing a lease to purchase at their barn. There is one large thing that concerns me though - the horse had a fractured splint bone and had surgery to remove it about a year ago. The owner has offered that I talk to her vet. The vet said it was textbook and that the horse should have no problems going forward.

I REALLY appreciate any advice you guys can give! Thank you!
 

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Thanks, you guys. That's what I was afraid of! Do you know what price range would be more appropriate for him? We are in Illinois.
 

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For $30,000 you should be getting a seasoned FINISHED horse who is ready to show. Not a greenie newbie. He looks like a nice horse, but not for that price tag. Way over-priced.

I'm not a hunter jumper, or even an English rider at that, but I would consider a horse like this to be somewhere around $5,000 to $8,000. But I could be way off. :wink: That's what I would expect to pay for a well-started barrel horse that had potential, but wasn't finished.

He sure is a pretty boy though.
 

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Where I'm from he's about a 1500-2000 dollar horse.
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I don't really agree that he would be that low as others say, that's really low. I feel $15,000 is a good price for a horse that has a lot of potential for the show ring, but IMO he only worth that much If his past injury will not have no effect on him and is fully healed. Really important for you to get your own vet to check it out and see the xrays. Is he
 

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WOW. So he is OUTRAGEOUSLY over-priced. I found a video of him jumping...


He looks less hesitant than when I rode him. But still, that's a huge gap from 2 or 5k to 30k. What are these owners thinking?! Hoping I wouldn't ask questions I guess!
 

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Its too much money for where he's at in his training and for me he should be bold at his fences not skittish if he's ever going to go anywhere
I always worry when I see a horse give a jump that much space - its like they're afraid of the pole and once it reaches a height they can't give a few feet they refuse to jump
I think he's horse that's been pushed too hard at some point in his training to try to get him along a bit faster
I would give him a miss - even at a really low price you could end up with a horse that won't jump or might have soundness problems later on if too much strain's put on that leg
 

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maybe he is not a jumper. maybe he'd be happier as a dressage horse. the way the looks down at the thing, it is skittishness, maybe, but it's also being careful, like a good trail horse will look down at anything that might not be good footing. I would not blow him off so soon. He is over priced, and may not be a good jumping prospect, but he may have a personality that makes for a really amazing relationship. I kind of like him

I thought splint breaks are usually not a long term lameness issue, especially having been surgically removed.
 

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In my area which is an expensive very English area, that horse would be about $15-20k. For 30k he would be finished and ready to show. So definitely overpaying.

ETA A fractured splint bone is not a big deal at all, especially if it was surgically removed. My gelding popped three splints (that's what they're called) within a year and half and had a few more years sound jumping 3'3"-3'9", no he's retired due to arthritis in a completely unrelated area. My vet who is a lameness specialist doesn't think much of them either, and I've never seen it affect a horse.
 

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Thanks you guys. I'm having a hard time passing on him. He is a really neat horse. The owner has said price is negotiable. But I doubt I would get her down to $20k. I can always offer.

I had a feeling she was gearing him more towards dressage - she told me she was trying to get her dressage friend to buy him. I asked if she thought he would do better in dressage rather than jumpers and of course she said he could do either. Is there anything I could do to test this theory? I'm going to ride him a few more times before I decide.

I'm with you - I'm not as concerned about the splint. All the research I've done and the vet that I've talked to that did the surgery point to it not being an issue.

Thanks again!
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Thanks you guys. I'm having a hard time passing on him. He is a really neat horse. The owner has said price is negotiable. But I doubt I would get her down to $20k. I can always offer.

I had a feeling she was gearing him more towards dressage - she told me she was trying to get her dressage friend to buy him. I asked if she thought he would do better in dressage rather than jumpers and of course she said he could do either. Is there anything I could do to test this theory? I'm going to ride him a few more times before I decide.

I'm with you - I'm not as concerned about the splint. All the research I've done and the vet that I've talked to that did the surgery point to it not being an issue.

Thanks again!
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I honestly think a jumper should be able to do dressage, I believe all hunters and jumpers should have a good dressage foundation. So that's good if he can do dressage and do it well. If you like him enough, I would see how far she is negotiable on the price. But honestly, if I were in your situation and liked the horse a lot, and we clicked, I would be ok with overpaying slightly. Not the full 30, but as low as she would negotiate. It's also nice she's doing a lease to own, I was horse shopping and my budget was similar to yours but everybody wanted it all upfront.
 
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I agree with Sully completely. 15-20k is what I feel is fair for him. but if you clicked with him and feel like he is special and have bond with him, I wouldn't mind overpaying a little bit. but definitely get them to lower it as much as you can. You cant put a price tag on a special bond if that's what you feel you have with him. but 30k is too much. Do you have a closer up picture of him? such a pretty boy.
 
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