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Hi all! So we just got this mini on Monday as a rescue. She was pretty neglected and unfortunately her hooves are in bad shape. We contacted our farrier who said he could come by this Friday, however I was wondering what I could do for her until then. She is in obvious pain and lays down most of the time. (I think the guy said she hasn't been trimmed for 1-2 years, although that is a bit of a gap.) She can't really walk so she's in a small area with close access to water and shelter. I've heard of giving Tylenol or something but could someone tell me more about that? I just hate seeing her like this and wish I could just take her pain away. I've also been wondering about her coat color. 馃 The name is on the tip of my tongue but I just can't think of it. Any ideas on how to put this sweet girl out of her misery, even temporarily, is appreciated. Also any name ideas. I was thinking either something related to happiness or something related to her coat color.
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Are you able to have a chat with the vet about the feet before the farrier comes? You may want to establish if she foundered or not at some point (the vet would likely suggest X-rays) - that could have an influence on the trimming strategy. You will be able to use that opportunity to also discuss pain control. It could be quite possible that her feet will may remain sore for awhile after the trim so would therefore need a pain strategy for before and after.

I鈥檇 love to see I tunes of her after the trim.

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We talked to the vet about her (we decided we would quarantine her from our other horse for a couple of weeks) but we didn't really discuss her feet. And I forgot to mention that she did, indeed, founder. Our farrier seems to be pretty good though and he informed us that she may never be completely "okay," but as long as I can ease the pain, even a little bit, I will do everything I can to do so. I've seen other farriers use X-rays for overgrown hooves like that and I will ask about it when he comes Friday. I will keep everyone updated and take more pictures of after the trimming. Thank you for the advice lovetolope and Chevaux :)
 

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Oh H***, that poor poor pony, this just shoocked me when I opened this thread. She is foundered on all four, I would not be letting her eat any green grass the grass she is laying on would be a BAD ideal for her to eat on, no sweet feed a pelleted feed as low as can be in NSC as in no starch or sugar, you need feed like Triple Crown lite maybe just a cup full twice a day. Hay she needs but low in sugar. I have a mini that foundered on mesquite beans about 7 years ago, hes great now but got to be very care-full feed wise. No grass no sweet feeds no hay high in sugar for him are we will be back to being sore.
The grass isn't actually as good as it looks in the photos. It's quite patchy and since she's in such a small area it will be gone very quickly. I will look into giving her some Triple Crown Lite as that is exactly what I feed my other horse, although I'm not sure I'll feed her anything but supplements until the grass is gone. The farrier hasn't said anything about x-rays, so I assumed he would take care of it, but we just asked him and are awaiting his response. Worse case scenario, we can post-pone the farrier visit a couple of days until we can get a vet out here, but I'd like for the farrier to come as soon as possible. We ordered Bute-Less as lovetolope suggested (thanks) since it's better for her tummy than Bute long term. It should be coming Monday.
 

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The Bute-Less never did anything for my gelding. But there is Aspirin for horses and they do help I have my one gelding that has a old injury on Aspireze + and have used vet-one aspirin powder, theres other brands out there. I did use the bute-less a few times but just never did anything at all, then I discovered that theres Aspirin for horses,so tryed that and liked what I saw after a few days of using it and I also feed him Hemp-oil Pellets, that and the aspirin has done a world of good for him, but for your little girl one thing at a time. The aspirin I would give her just a little pinch in a hand full of feed. BUT call the Vet and see if that would be ok. I would stay away from supplements for now. The farrier will need x-rays for sure on her, her soles has dropped and the x-rays will be a big help. Its got to be the vet that does the x-rays not the farrier, but the x-rays will be a help to your farrier to read with the Vet.
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I figured trying the Bute-Less couldn't hurt since my full sized horse is battling a bout of lameness and I figured if it doesn't help the mini, then I can try it on Finn. I haven't given her any supplements yet and I may just hold off on that for a little while like you said. The farrier actually said that he doesn't need any x-rays and that the process is pretty straight forward. 馃 He's been great for Finn and I trust him but we'll have to see what happens Friday. I will look into the Asprin if the Bute-Less doesn't help.
 

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Acadianartist: Hoof boots sound like a good idea. I was wondering if she might benefit from from shoes, at least in the future when her feet are in better shape? I will look into both and see what my farrier thinks. I know he suggested putting pads on my Finn when he first was lame. Perhaps they'll make the ground feel "softer" for her?

Horsef: That's a good point. It makes sense that she would want to move around more when she isn't in pain, which could further cause damage. The Bute-Less isn't coming until Monday or Tuesday though, (the farrier comes Friday) and hopefully by then, she will be trimmed and can be put on it to start easing the pain. I know a lot of the reviews said that it takes a while for it to build up in their system but that it works great for their equine friends.

Rainsong: It makes me absolutely sick that some people can't take responsibility when their animals are in need of something. Watching her try to walk is like a stab in the heart each time. The only thing I regret is not finding her sooner. :( I agree that she looks like a Silver Dapple and the name Taffy is adorable! Felicity is a nice name but it might just be too elegant for the sweet, little goofball that she is. 馃槉

Thank you everyone! I will continue to update as she progresses and I'll let y'all know how the farrier visit goes.
 

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Please, please ask your vet first about any kind of pain therapy/inflammation reducer product you may think to use.

Minis can not and should not be offered certain things that other horses/ponies do well with.
Their metabolism and just overall guts are different from other equines...
Certain types of worm medication can near kill a mini and not referring to dosage but to chemical compound so "herbal" or not....consult first is safest.
Her feet are atrocious, but she herself is a cutie....now in good hands and care received, her life quality has just improved immensely. (y)
馃惔....
Yes, before giving her anything I will always consult the vet. I just dewormed her with Ivermectin. Internally she looks good from what I can see. She's not coughing or sneezing or wheezing. Her eyes, nose, and teeth look good, although I'll need the farrier to double check. I might bring some feces into the vet's office to confirm that she's dewormed. It's absolutely amazing that there's not much else wrong with her, especially considering the conditions she was in before. Such a strong baby 馃槶. I expect that her feet will be in quite some pain, going from walking on her heels to walking some-what normally. I'll try to restrict her mobility some more after the first trimming and maybe hand walk her to check progress. Again, thank you everybody for taking the time to give me your advice and ideas. Will continue to update 馃憤
 

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Yep! He was here this morning. (Had a crazy day, sorry I couldn't post earlier) He cut off quite a big chunk and said he'd be back in about a month to shape it better. He also said she should be significantly better this evening and tomorrow and that if she's not more active by Monday or Tuesday to let him know. All this is contrary to what you all have told me which worries me that he doesn't actually know what he's doing... We called in a new farrier who's coming tomorrow to check on her and Finn. Anyways, here are the pics of her! 馃榿 She did an amazing job picking up her feet and she was an absolute angel the whole time! What a sweet heart.

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I apologize for the microwave quality pictures. Honestly please let me know if this is a good job or if I should just go with the new farrier. Thank you all for all your help, you have no idea how much y'all have helped! I really take all your comments to heart. 鉂
 

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Thank you for all the support! 馃槉I'm not sure how selfless this act is though because it's mending my heart too! I do have a question about the bottom of the hooves, and I may take a picture if I can tomorrow. On her two front hooves, there is no defined hoof wall, nor is there a visible frog. I figured it was from not being trimmed, however her back hooves have a frog with indentations on the sides before the hoof wall, like a normal foot. Will her front feet regain defined hoof parts after being trimmed for a while? Maybe once the old hoof is grown out? It's hard to explain exactly but I will post pictures as soon as possible. I'm glad to hear that our farrier is doing a good job, he was very encouraging and patient with her and I could tell he really cared about a safe and fast recovery for her. More updates soon :)
 

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Update: She is much happier and is moving around more easily and more often! I braided her hair today to keep it off her neck and she sat wonderfully for me to groom her.

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Don't worry about all that brush in the background ;) I let her into the woods to get out of the heat and she won't touch it. It's mostly leaves which she doesn't like, no grass for her to munch on. I am beginning to see some more "indentation" (I guess you could say) in her front hooves and I was able to pick them just barely today.

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I plan on uniting her with Finn in about a week when her quarantine is over (although I don't see any signs of sickness and she's been dewormed). Her and Finn whinny and neigh at each other from opposite sides of the driveway and I can tell they're just dying to meet. Could anyone tell me what the safest way to introduce them would be? I don't want them to get overly excited and/or aggressive with each other and end up hurting one another. (I'm more concerned with them being overly excited, not aggressive lol but anything can happen really.) I'll try to upload videos of their introduction 馃槉. I ended up not putting her on the Bute-Less just because she seems to be doing so well on her own, but if the soreness worsens, I may consider giving her something. Let me know what y'all think!
 

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She's doing great! Trying to get away from and cope with the heat. All her braids came out 馃槀 I think I need better ties. So we'll probably spend the evening redoing them. I don't want her to get hotter with that thick hair laying on her neck. I gave her a bath yesterday, just water (mostly wanted to cool her down) however she didn't seem to enjoy it. She's always in the rain so I figured she'd be used to it. How could I desensitize her better to the water? She seemed skittish.

Does anyone have any idea on when I could begin doing some lunging/ground work with her? Probably not for several months, if not a year before I feel comfortable working her with those feet, unless she miraculously decides to not be sore. This sweet girl definitely has some sass! And I figured it might be a good idea to start some ground manners.

I am incredibly happy about how everything worked out and all the support you all have given! Thanks again.
 

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Update:
We did it! Finally, after waiting for two whole weeks we united Finn and... The Mini... we still need a name lol. There was a bit of nipping and some squealing but all went well, and in the end, no one got hurt. After much sniffing, Finn took her on a tour along the pasture fence, grazing as they went along. She didn't take too well to the cow, as she kicked the cow several times in the face... Oh well. Lucy shouldn't have been up her back side anyways. She wasn't hurt at all, but we did move her to another pasture to prevent any squabbles. Her and Finn haven't left each other's sides and they both will wait patiently as I groom each of them. I have noticed that her biting habit has grown worse, and I'm not quite sure what to do about it. Of course whenever she does it I give her a good bop on the nose, but like I said, it's not getting any better. She still seems to be sore and she walks very stiffly. I know she only got trimmed a week and three days ago, but how much longer until she at least walks normally? Anyways here are the photos I managed to get 馃槉.

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I forgot, did you get XRays? Your trimmer trimmed her overgrown hooves, but if her coffin bone has rotated or descended, she still may be in a lot of pain. It would be really useful information for your trimmer as well, as it might change how they trim her feet.

You could look into hoof boots for her.
No, we didn't get X-Rays because the farrier said he just didn't need them. I agree though, it might be a good idea to get some done to make sure there isn't anything funky going on inside. Would the coffin bone rotating or descending be a big problem? Is she doomed or is it something that could heal itself over time with some extra help?
 

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Hello! I decided to get her in the round pen today and do some basic exercises: leading, stopping, turning, and backing. She did pretty well, especially for her first time actually working, but we quickly ran into an issue... she will NOT back. Not out of pain or just not being able to do it, I believe she can do it. I'm not sure if she is confused or being defiant. I tried everything, wiggling the lead rope, wiggling it aggressively, tugging on it toward her neck, pushing her neck, pushing her chest, walking towards her, nothing. Absolutely nothing. She wouldn't even shift her weight for me to be able to reward her. She did fine walking and stopping and we're getting the hang of turning, I even introduced the whip, which she absolutely didn't mind. The only reason I wanted to back her is 1. because of the biting issue, and 2. because I want her to know my personal space. Any ideas?

On to problem #2: Finn has become EXTREMELY buddy sour. I took him on a ride this evening and the whole time he was neighing for her, and she was neighing back. 馃槶 He was very distracted and this just gave him another reason to want to come home as fast as possible. He cared nothing more than to come back home to his girl. We already had issues with coming home too fast, so we did what we would normally do, but this time was just ridiculous. And all the noise! What an embarrassment as everyone in the neighborhood came out on their porch to see what the ruckus was. This was his first ride since getting her so I'm hoping it'll get better but I honestly don't know what to do if not. Barn sour, check. Buddy sour, check. Just another issue to add on to the list.

I also noticed the mare throwing her head back with every whinny and whipping her hair around (which was adorable but she screamed like a banshee). Maybe she's in heat? Either way, I'm glad they like each other, but this is just a bit... much. Is there a way I can ease the obsession? I'd hate to have to separate them but I know some people do that with horses like this. I am willing to really work through these issues and hopefully come out on top with two improved horses so I'll take any advice I can get! Has anyone else experienced problems like these? What worked for you?
 

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No, I haven't technically "trained" a horse on my own. I've helped with it and know the process. She'd supposedly been ridden before her feet got bad so I kind of expected her to know a little something here and there but I was just getting my hopes up. I'll let her heal some more before trying that backing and maybe I'll use a rope halter. Like I said, she didn't even shift her weight back so there wasn't much to reward. It might also be good to mention that the whole process is very awkward because she's so short... Lol. I will look into getting those xrays but the farrier insists that he doesn't need them and that it's a "pretty straight forward process". Question: Does she need rest or does she need to be walked daily to further get used to her new feet?
 
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