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Ok, so I can tell im going to get screamed at here.. :?:shock: *braces self for it*

Im getting in to showing a lot more at the moment, and lots of / most 'hackies' ride in double bridles:

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But my horse would be so ****ed if I had two bits in her mouth.. (she has a smallish mouth) and i'd also feel bad.

Ok.. this is where your all going to kill me :lol: I like the look of horses with double bridles. And i think some judges do to. So im thinking rather than having a double bridle on my horse, riding in a pelham.
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attached with this curb and leather guard:
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This is the one I was looking at using for this weekend. Of course id ride her in it before the show and everything but what do you think??

I ride her in a brass loose ring, double jointed snaffle. Usually.

What do you all think?? Am I a horrible person :? for wanting the 'look' of a double bridle in shows?? (Oh and let me just add... of course i'd be riding off the 'snaffle' rein and just holding the curb rein).

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Why change the bit if the bit you are using right now is working (even if it is for the judges, if someone said they would score you better points to jump off a cliff would you?) ? If you don't need it then why use it?
 

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The only problem I could see would be even if you're just holding the curb rein, the curb would still be engaged because you're holding the reins. I think you should just ride in what you normally do, and if the judges don't like the fact that you can control your horse with one set of reins and one bit, boo on them.
 

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^ Not if you have the curb rein just holding the tension.

Where we live you won't get a look in if you aren't in a double or pelham in hack classes. Sad but true. I'm lucky that I show ASH, not hacks, so I just use my snaffle, but if I wanted to do well in the hack ring I would switch to a double or pelham.

Brooke, she will be fine :] But - Do we have any other pelhams? That one has a huge mouthpiece, plus it isn't jointed, so would be a big difference from what she is used to and a heck of a lot of bulk in the mouth. A jointed, thinner, metal pelham would suit better.
 

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ok, thanks :) Umm as for a smaller pelham.. i'll have to have a look in the shed tomorrow :) Fingers crossed, but I don't think so.. We do have one, but im thinking it's the 'curb' part of a double, so im thinking in doesn't have the 'snaffle' rings :(
 

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Ordinarily i'd say definitely not. Theres no need for it, even though a decent amount of people use them anyway. At the last show i was at i was told by a judge "its good to see a horse in a snaffle", i much prefer the look anyway, and if i was judging and it came down to it, would choose a horse in a snaffle over anything with double reins. Theres nothing required in hacking that warrants the use of double reins, sadly its just become fashionable.

If i were you i'd still use a snaffle. A few years ago at pony club i was told i needed a different bit and refused and was one of two who were using snaffles, out of a good hundred or so riders.
If you can ride/your horse works as well as the others, really you shouldnt have a problem.

However there are a good portion of snaffles used in hack classes at ag shows here, so i guess its quite different. Its really up to you...just make sure you practice in the pelham at home first lol.
 

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Theres nothing required in hacking that warrants the use of double reins, sadly its just become fashionable.
It's making it's way into the ASH ring as well - They have ASH Hack to be ridden in a curb bit. Which I hate, because I don't want to put Bundy in a curb, but it's one less class I can do. *Sigh*.

We don't really have anyone in the hack rings in snaffles - Breed rings yes, but hack rings no - Maybe one or two ponies with younger riders but that's it. Even in pony club classes at ag shows the doubles get a look in before the snaffles even if the quality of the workout wasn't as good.
 

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It's making it's way into the ASH ring as well - They have ASH Hack to be ridden in a curb bit. Which I hate, because I don't want to put Bundy in a curb, but it's one less class I can do. *Sigh*.
Yeah, I saw that on the program!

Well, do you think she'd be more comfy in the double than the thick pelham??

Im going out to the farm this afternoon, but after 6 to wash her so might see you there but might not, i'll just jump on her bare back for a while in which ever bit im riding in.
 

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Theres nothing required in hacking that warrants the use of double reins, sadly its just become fashionable.
Yep, and it's traditional. :shock: Sadly.
 

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I ahve to be home by 7 for mum's birthday dinner so you might catch me leaving. I'll have a look through the shed and see if I can find a better bit.

Ive always wondered what they would say if I turned up to the ASH Hack to eb ridden in a curb in a western curb bit - lol!
 

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lol, you should do it!! :)

Ok, if you can find a better bit, would you mind just putting it out for me :) Oh and I have the pelham and curb chain that's the same as the one in the pics, in my bag... took it home to wash it. :)
 

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let me ask you this. What if it came into fashion for riders to be wearing something that is very uncomfortable to them? Like a certian thick fabric for pants or a jacket? Would you wear it or keep to the things that you know you can perform your best in? IMHO, you shouldn't just go to the very harsh bit for "looks". It's like straping your horse's head to it's chest with draw reins and martinglaes for a "head set". It's just not right. If that is what a judge wants to see, a horse that has to have a strong, harsh bit in their mouth, to win, I would seriously rethink if they have the best intentions of the horse in mind.
 

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*Sigh*

First - We do wear thick, uncomfortable fabrics and hot fabrics on stinking hot days. I think i've almost gotten heatstroke waiting in the line-up.

Secondly - Ridden on the snaffle rein it will be no harsher than her snaffle. She won't be using the curb rein.

What do you think about dressage where it is compulsory to use a harsher bit, two bits for that matter when you reach a certain level? Would you stop showing?
 

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I ride in a pelham and love it. Most of the time the reins are in the snaffle position but if I want more bit I can switch the reins to the curb setting. The bit is a Billy Allen mouthpiece, steel, about 7/16 diameter.
It is compact, not much mechanical advantage in the curb setting but enough to activate the curb strap.
I love this bit and if I can only have one bit this is my choice
 

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Well I see what you saying stormyblues, but I agree with what wild_spot said.

I rode her in the pelham yesterday and she went well, when I first put it on she was a bit like.. WTF? Is this thing in my mouth, I just let her stand for a while, while she got used to the bit and I just was talking to her.. When she was fine with it.. I jumped on, bareback as I had limited time and I had to wash her.

She went well. I just did walk and trot and I little bit of canter.

And for the show because it's her first time and my first time, riding in a pelham and riding with two reins, I've put exactly the same type of reins on but on set are brown and one are black. :) (pretty genus i thought) hehe
 
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Pelhams are awesome <3 My horse had a problem with going like a giraffe and this bit is the only bit that will aid in relaxation of the jaw
 

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I use a Pelham with a curved mouth piece (not a port bit), and it works WONDERS on my gelding! me and him will most defiantly be using this for hunter/jumper!
Here's the bit, and for those who think im horrible for using a sing jointed Pelham:

strategically crafted with curved mouth bars that eliminate the "nutcracker" action and stop the bit from hitting the roof of the horse's mouth. The curved shape also allows room for the horses tongue and eliminates interference that conventional bits cause.

hope this helped!
 

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