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Ok, I was just reading a thread about horse racing and such and I saw PETA mentioned many times in it. It seems most of the members in this forum are against PETA but it also appears that there are a few people who seem somewhat supportive of them.

I was just wondering where everyone stands on this controversial group. I've looked around a little to see what PETA members and endorsers are saying and quite frankly in my opinion I cannot see how anyone could support such a group of people. They are a lot like terrorists in their beliefs and thought processes.

For example, here are some quotes from members of the PETA group. (note that they hold animal lives equal if not above human lives)

So for those of you who say "PETA does some good", why not rethink what you're condoning?


"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler
chickens will die this year in slaughter houses.
-Ingrid Newkirk (PETA)"
(_Washington_Post_, Nov 13, 1983)

"We feel animals have the same rights as a retarded human child.
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)"
(_New_York_Times_, Jan 14, 1989)

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Pet ownership is an "absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA"
(_Washingtonian_Magazine_, August 1986)

"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are "acceptable crimes"
when used for the animals' cause."
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)
(_Charleston,_W._VA_Gazette-Mail_, Jan 15, 1989)


"The optimum human population of earth is zero."
-Dave Foreman, Earth First!

"More
than anything we applied arson, and effectively we destroyed -- um,
let’s see -- the Northwest Fur Breeders Cooperative in Edmonds,
Washington, which we hit a week later after OSU. We hit Washington
State University’s Eastern Washington experimental fur farm. We did get
seven coyotes out of there, six mink, and ten mice … We burned down a
fur farm that was on the market to be sold, in Oregon also. We went to
the Michigan State University’s experimental fur farm program and
destroyed thirty-two years of research, by using fire once again, and
rescued two mink from there."
- SHAC rally, Edison, New Jersey (November 30, 2002)


In essence, PETA does NOT condone people having pets, it's goal is that there is absolutely no contact between animals and people.

 

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I think that PETA was originally formed with good intentions and then the loons took over... just my opinion though...
 

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At this point in their existence they are like any other terrorist who believes what they are doing (arson, murder..etc..) is for the good of the world. What they do is illegal and they should be jailed. IMO
 

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Oh there is SO much MORE I could have posted. Personally I cannot understand the psyche of someone that crazy. And WHEN did they have good intentions? Many of the quotes are all the way back in the 80s.
 

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I think I was the one who said that PETA does SOME good. By that I meant that there are people within the organisation who aren't fanatical and do work simply for the good of animals.

It's the faction of die-hard humans are bad animals are better fanatics that have given them such a bad name. They often cause more cruelty to the animals they are trying to help. They refuse to listen to facts and refuse to accept that there are compromises that could be made.

The biggest thing that frustrates me is the mulesing debate... Having first hand seen the effects of NOT mulesing, I belive it is much crueler not to do it.
 

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thanks for the post tempest.

Can I ask what the 1st birthday thing is all about? why are people happy their horses weren't born before January?
 

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Wild Spot I didn't mean to put you on the spot (no pun intended) I just was curious if you meant the non-fanatical or the freaks.

As I'm sure most of you are for the 'ethical treatment of animals' as am I. But the "PETA" group is made up of wacko's so to speak. It's the difference between someone who is trying to save the environment and someone else burning log trucks (which really happened near my town) and killing people to stop logging.

I'm sorry, I EAT MEAT and wear leather.
 

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thanks for the post tempest.

Can I ask what the 1st birthday thing is all about? why are people happy their horses weren't born before January?
I'm not positive but I would think it has to do with showing and racing.

They consider race horses, or horses in general when the exact birthdate is not recorded to have been born the first of the year. So if you have a horse that is born in Dec. 08 then according to this rule, he's a yearling by January 09, when in actuallity, he's only a month old.

So for him to be ellidgeable to race as a 2 year old, he'd have to race in January 10 and that would make him 13 months old. too young to race.

Please correct me if I'm explaining this wrong but please don't beat me up because it's been over 20 years since I worked at the race track and that was for pacers and trotters so I might be wrong in what I typed.
 

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Hey, it's no problem :]

I agree, I eat meat, I wear leather. I don't see anything wrong with breeding animals for a purpose, wether it be performance, meat, etc. As long as we give them a pleasent enough life while they are living it. *shrugs* The cows and sheep out on our farm seem pretty happy with their lot! They get to eat and sleep all day!
 

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I can agree with some of the ideas, and whatnot of PETA. I mean, we dont want people being allowed to treat animals like crap. But sorry, my kids ARE more important, and I will put any human (well almost any...) above an animal.
There are some things that PETA brings to peoples attention that we really need to know about. And I am very much against factory farming. I am not against farming, or meat, but factory farming, hell yeah. I've seen it forst hand, its bad. But people who treat their animals fairly, since those animals will be giving their lives, are not doing anything wrong.
I feed my ferrets meat, and plan to raise my own breeders. PETA would not like this, but if I feed kibble then I am not helping the factory farming issue at all. My mice are treated amazing before they are dinner. And their deaths are very quick. Dax can dispatch and eat a mouse in less time then it takes for them to die from CO2 (which the the typical method of killing feeder mice).

*getting off soapbox now*
 

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Dax can dispatch and eat a mouse in less time then it takes for them to die from CO2
Dax is your ferret? I have a couple snakes. I used to feed them live, then I got them used to pre-killed (CO2 euthenized) but I've gone to buying frozen rats so I can thaw them and feed that way, only because I now have pet rats and hate to kill the little ******s myself these days. I guess I'm a softy when it comes to cuddly things... or scaley...
 

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I almost had a snake. I was planning on raising rats then too. But I would feed frozen thawed, just cuz snakes are slow eaters. lol I didnt want anyone getting hurt.
I recently bought a jumbo rat for my ferrets, thinking I was buying a frozen one (to save money, it will feed all four instead of spending twice as much on smaller rats), she brought out a live one. I couldnt do it. I was scared of my ferrets getting hurt, I was already attatched to the big lug, and he must've had a crappy life. So now he is living in my cat carrier. I'm gonna stick to mice from now on, ones that bite and I want nothing to do with.
 

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I could actually write a novel on why I hate peta. They are an extremeist activist group and I have never and will never support them.
 

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PETA goes way too far. I would love to see some better legislature for animal protection, but sometimes it is taken to an extreme that is dangerous.
 

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thanks for the post tempest.

Can I ask what the 1st birthday thing is all about? why are people happy their horses weren't born before January?
Farmpony had it right. In most show and racing circuits, every horse's unofficial birthday is january 1. This was to make things "easier" in keeping track of a horses age. Instead of saying "he was foaled december 3 of 2002" and then having to figure out exactly how old he was, they say "he is an 02 foal" automatically making him 7 years old even if he may only be 6 years and 1 month.

As for the OP. I agree with a lot of you. I am all for what PETA started out as. Animals have to have some kind of protection against the cruel and abusive people of the world. But they allowed the fanatics to take over. The one's who burn the logging trucks and throw red paint on peoples fur coats actually scare me. Yes, I do love all animals and want to see them treated with kindness and respect but the main point is the fact that they are still just animals. Animals are beasts of burden put on this world to carry us, feed us, and clothe us. Along the timeline, they became our friends and many people have forgotten their original purpose. Horses, cattle, sheep, goats, etc are prey animals. They were designed to be food for the predator animals. Just because we love them doesn't change that.
 

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PETA Kills the most animals when it comes to animal shelters in the USA
 
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