[manhirwen]

Ok, I was just reading a thread about horse racing and such and I saw PETA mentioned many times in it. It seems most of the members in this forum are against PETA but it also appears that there are a few people who seem somewhat supportive of them.

I was just wondering where everyone stands on this controversial group. I've looked around a little to see what PETA members and endorsers are saying and quite frankly in my opinion I cannot see how anyone could support such a group of people. They are a lot like terrorists in their beliefs and thought processes.

For example, here are some quotes from members of the PETA group. (note that they hold animal lives equal if not above human lives)

So for those of you who say "PETA does some good", why not rethink what you're condoning?


"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler
chickens will die this year in slaughter houses.
-Ingrid Newkirk (PETA)"
(_Washington_Post_, Nov 13, 1983)

"We feel animals have the same rights as a retarded human child.
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)"
(_New_York_Times_, Jan 14, 1989)

"Pet ownership is an "absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA"
(_Washingtonian_Magazine_, August 1986)

"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are "acceptable crimes"
when used for the animals' cause."
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)
(_Charleston,_W._VA_Gazette-Mail_, Jan 15, 1989)


"The optimum human population of earth is zero."
-Dave Foreman, Earth First!

"More
than anything we applied arson, and effectively we destroyed -- um,
let’s see -- the Northwest Fur Breeders Cooperative in Edmonds,
Washington, which we hit a week later after OSU. We hit Washington
State University’s Eastern Washington experimental fur farm. We did get
seven coyotes out of there, six mink, and ten mice … We burned down a
fur farm that was on the market to be sold, in Oregon also. We went to
the Michigan State University’s experimental fur farm program and
destroyed thirty-two years of research, by using fire once again, and
rescued two mink from there."
- SHAC rally, Edison, New Jersey (November 30, 2002)


In essence, PETA does NOT condone people having pets, it's goal is that there is absolutely no contact between animals and people.

 

[manhirwen]

At this point in their existence they are like any other terrorist who believes what they are doing (arson, murder..etc..) is for the good of the world. What they do is illegal and they should be jailed. IMO

 

[manhirwen]

Oh there is SO much MORE I could have posted. Personally I cannot understand the psyche of someone that crazy. And WHEN did they have good intentions? Many of the quotes are all the way back in the 80s.

 

[manhirwen]

thanks for the post tempest.

Can I ask what the 1st birthday thing is all about? why are people happy their horses weren't born before January?

 

[manhirwen]

Wild Spot I didn't mean to put you on the spot (no pun intended) I just was curious if you meant the non-fanatical or the freaks.

As I'm sure most of you are for the 'ethical treatment of animals' as am I. But the "PETA" group is made up of wacko's so to speak. It's the difference between someone who is trying to save the environment and someone else burning log trucks (which really happened near my town) and killing people to stop logging.

I'm sorry, I EAT MEAT and wear leather.

 

[manhirwen]

Dax can dispatch and eat a mouse in less time then it takes for them to die from CO2

Dax is your ferret? I have a couple snakes. I used to feed them live, then I got them used to pre-killed (CO2 euthenized) but I've gone to buying frozen rats so I can thaw them and feed that way, only because I now have pet rats and hate to kill the little ******s myself these days. I guess I'm a softy when it comes to cuddly things... or scaley...

 

[manhirwen]

I DID happen to read something about PETA euthanizing 90% of the animals in a shelter. One of their purposes is to eliminate animals as pets.

 

[manhirwen]

I'm just not a fan of extremists in general

 

[manhirwen]

You always have to remember that owning ANY kind of animal in ANY kind of way is against PETA's beliefs. If you're for PETA does that mean you agree that a bug has the same rights as a child? Does it mean that you are ALL FOR them destroying businesses like the terrorists they are? Assassinating people because of the business they own? It's ridiculous!

If you're for the green peace, does that mean you're against using paper? Against living in wood houses? Because they're against logging completely. I can't understand where their brain is. Do they want us to use plastic? No wait, plastic water bottles would fill our land fills to the brim. The plastics mills pollute the environment right? So bottled water is bad. So back to clay I guess, or horse pooh! Did you know they can make houses out of horse poop!

 

[manhirwen]

Im all for peta,greenpeace etc because they get things done.
They dont just sit around and think "oh what can i do"
they do it.
Im all for animal rights and i dont see why they should get treated the way they do for your pleasure.

They do things backwards. LOL I'm curious if you actually ride your horse or if you have it in a huge field 100+ acres just to let it run around. Because "riding horses is slavery" in PETA's opinion.

Seriously people, THINK! Before you go backing a group like PETA, get your brains in gear and do a little research. Look up what THEY themselves have to say... They're way off in their thinking.

 

[manhirwen]

Ok, look outside the box! I am 100% against PETA! I am against that group because as a group they are insane and really doing more harm than good.

I AM however against the abuse and neglect of animals great and small. You DON'T have to be PETA to be against animal abuse! You won't stop the really evil people from breeding for money. I hate puppy mills!

But as a horse community look at it this way. Why are so many people out there still breeding their horses when there are SO MANY that need homes? I understand maintaining breed lines and such. But in our economy people are abandoning perfectly good horses in fields (which is legal in my state btw) just to die because they don't have the money to feed them. If people would be a LOT more selective about what horses they breed to whom then the problem would be a lot less great.

As what I can tell is the #1 horse forum on the internet, why don't we educate people about that instead of backing a group of wackos! It makes more sense to reach directly into the community in a pacifist way than to go burn down a breeding facility.

 

[manhirwen]

Manhirwen, could you post a link to the law in Or. where it states its legal to abandon horses in feilds to be left to die.

There isn't a law saying it's legal, but there isn't a law against it either.

I thought this comedy video regarding PETA was hilarious btw!

 

[manhirwen]

There is laws against neglecting your animals and abusing them but apparently abandoning a horse in a field is not against the law. I don't know if it's because we have wild horses already or if they just overlooked it.

I once saw the county officials close down an animal refuge and put down 400 animals (about 80 horses) because they wanted to use the land for something else... kind of random but this whole topic made me remember it and how the owner of the sanctuary begged me to take the last 6 horses that were going to be put to sleep before they could come back to do it.

 

[manhirwen]

As far as I know it doesn't have to be their own Field. Maybe officials think that since there is grass everywhere in Oregon and wild horses that they won't starve. I haven't checked the law books, it's just something quite a few horse owners around the area mentioned (they are people trying to find homes for these abandoned animals). I think it's just been overlooked. You don't have to be PETA to help animals.

 

[manhirwen]

The whole issue about people dumping horses, yes they are domestic, there SHOULD be a law against it but people keep getting away with it. There are so many rescue horses in this state due to that happening. And no, people do NOT want horses just dumped in their fields.

 

[manhirwen]

County, you can get as good of an idea as I can by looking up the books. It's just something a person who works with the human society mentioned to me when I was working with them to look for a suitable horse to take in. They mentioned that people were dumping horses off in fields left and right and that there was no law keeping them from doing so.

 

[manhirwen]

I suppose you may be right then, County. It doesn't stop it from happening a LOT around here though.

As far as this thread goes, it gave me the insight into this forum's community I was looking for. To see who was for PETA, who's against them and who just sits in the middle. There are more variables but that's the gist.

 

[manhirwen]

As livestock under Oregon law, horses can be legally abandoned by their owners.

I found that in the link Vidaloco posted!!! So I guess I wasn't off the mark about it being legal to abandon a horse in Oregon.

 

[manhirwen]

First let me say that I am sorry to hear that you are an Atheist.

I'm sorry too, Brumby, but I will not discuss in this thread what I am sorry about. =P

I'm just glad to hear that this forum isn't ran by Wackos! I wouldn't post in this forum if it was ran by PETA loving freaks, no offense to any of the PETA loving freaks in here.

And Go the Distance, I may be wrong but I thought Atheism was where you didn't believe in a higher being but it was Scientology that believes in evolution and science. Who knows maybe they're the same thing. Sorry if that was off topic.