Manhirwen, could you post a link to the law in Or. where it states its legal to abandon horses in feilds to be left to die.
PETA (controversy)
Ok, I was just reading a thread about horse racing and such and I saw PETA mentioned many times in it. It seems most of the members in this forum are against PETA but it also appears that there are a few people who seem somewhat supportive of them.
I was just wondering where everyone stands on this controversial group. I've looked around a little to see what PETA members and endorsers are saying and quite frankly in my opinion I cannot see how anyone could support such a group of people. They are a lot like terrorists in their beliefs and thought processes.
For example, here are some quotes from members of the PETA group. (note that they hold animal lives equal if not above human lives)
So for those of you who say "PETA does some good", why not rethink what you're condoning?
"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler
chickens will die this year in slaughter houses.
-Ingrid Newkirk (PETA)"
(_Washington_Post_, Nov 13, 1983)
"We feel animals have the same rights as a retarded human child.
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)"
(_New_York_Times_, Jan 14, 1989)
"Pet ownership is an "absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA"
(_Washingtonian_Magazine_, August 1986)
"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are "acceptable crimes"
when used for the animals' cause."
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)
(_Charleston,_W._VA_Gazette-Mail_, Jan 15, 1989)
"The optimum human population of earth is zero."
-Dave Foreman, Earth First!
"More
than anything we applied arson, and effectively we destroyed -- um,
let’s see -- the Northwest Fur Breeders Cooperative in Edmonds,
Washington, which we hit a week later after OSU. We hit Washington
State University’s Eastern Washington experimental fur farm. We did get
seven coyotes out of there, six mink, and ten mice … We burned down a
fur farm that was on the market to be sold, in Oregon also. We went to
the Michigan State University’s experimental fur farm program and
destroyed thirty-two years of research, by using fire once again, and
rescued two mink from there."
- SHAC rally, Edison, New Jersey (November 30, 2002)
In essence, PETA does NOT condone people having pets, it's goal is that there is absolutely no contact between animals and people.
I was just wondering where everyone stands on this controversial group. I've looked around a little to see what PETA members and endorsers are saying and quite frankly in my opinion I cannot see how anyone could support such a group of people. They are a lot like terrorists in their beliefs and thought processes.
For example, here are some quotes from members of the PETA group. (note that they hold animal lives equal if not above human lives)
So for those of you who say "PETA does some good", why not rethink what you're condoning?
"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler
chickens will die this year in slaughter houses.
-Ingrid Newkirk (PETA)"
(_Washington_Post_, Nov 13, 1983)
"We feel animals have the same rights as a retarded human child.
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)"
(_New_York_Times_, Jan 14, 1989)
"Pet ownership is an "absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA"
(_Washingtonian_Magazine_, August 1986)
"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are "acceptable crimes"
when used for the animals' cause."
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)
(_Charleston,_W._VA_Gazette-Mail_, Jan 15, 1989)
"The optimum human population of earth is zero."
-Dave Foreman, Earth First!
"More
than anything we applied arson, and effectively we destroyed -- um,
let’s see -- the Northwest Fur Breeders Cooperative in Edmonds,
Washington, which we hit a week later after OSU. We hit Washington
State University’s Eastern Washington experimental fur farm. We did get
seven coyotes out of there, six mink, and ten mice … We burned down a
fur farm that was on the market to be sold, in Oregon also. We went to
the Michigan State University’s experimental fur farm program and
destroyed thirty-two years of research, by using fire once again, and
rescued two mink from there."
- SHAC rally, Edison, New Jersey (November 30, 2002)
In essence, PETA does NOT condone people having pets, it's goal is that there is absolutely no contact between animals and people.
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There isn't a law saying it's legal, but there isn't a law against it either.Manhirwen, could you post a link to the law in Or. where it states its legal to abandon horses in feilds to be left to die.
I thought this comedy video regarding PETA was hilarious btw!
So Or. has no law against people starving,neglect, etc. horses? If thats actually true I really hope groups like PETA work to get some passed.
No ones making you like peta or even be a part of peta so why knock it if you dont have to,why not focus on the good they do.
Not everyone has the same opinions.
Sure you dont have to agree with everything they do but what animal group can you not find faults with,everyones got a problem with something.
Not everyone has the same opinions.
Sure you dont have to agree with everything they do but what animal group can you not find faults with,everyones got a problem with something.
OKie Dokie... before this thread turns ugly, please everyone, lets respect each other's opinions. If someone types a response that you can't reply to in a civil manner, please don't respond.
There is laws against neglecting your animals and abusing them but apparently abandoning a horse in a field is not against the law. I don't know if it's because we have wild horses already or if they just overlooked it.
I once saw the county officials close down an animal refuge and put down 400 animals (about 80 horses) because they wanted to use the land for something else... kind of random but this whole topic made me remember it and how the owner of the sanctuary begged me to take the last 6 horses that were going to be put to sleep before they could come back to do it.
I once saw the county officials close down an animal refuge and put down 400 animals (about 80 horses) because they wanted to use the land for something else... kind of random but this whole topic made me remember it and how the owner of the sanctuary begged me to take the last 6 horses that were going to be put to sleep before they could come back to do it.
I'm confused about the law in Or. So your saying people can abandon a horse to starve etc. as long as its in a feild? I assume they have to at least own the feild?
As far as I know it doesn't have to be their own Field. Maybe officials think that since there is grass everywhere in Oregon and wild horses that they won't starve. I haven't checked the law books, it's just something quite a few horse owners around the area mentioned (they are people trying to find homes for these abandoned animals). I think it's just been overlooked. You don't have to be PETA to help animals.
I agree you don't have to be PETA to help animals and most people who do so aren't. I can't imagine land owners allowing people to just dump off livestock on their land. If someone was to dump horses off in my feilds you can bet hell would be raised. How much crop damage do they have in Or. from this?
I have heard of people dumping horses (not necissarily in OR. I don't remember wear). And I'm pretty sure that it's frowned upon most places. Usually, from what I have read, they round up the horse and it either gets sold to auction, impounded (well..not really, but something like it), or sent to a rescue if the owner can not be found.
Similar to what County said, even if people thought these domesticated horses could survive running around on someones fields, they would stop it because those fields generally belong to someone who isn't going to be happy with a random horses taking up shop there.
I am all for animal advocacy groups, I just don't think violent protest is the way to get results. Buts that my personal opinion to most things.
Similar to what County said, even if people thought these domesticated horses could survive running around on someones fields, they would stop it because those fields generally belong to someone who isn't going to be happy with a random horses taking up shop there.
I am all for animal advocacy groups, I just don't think violent protest is the way to get results. Buts that my personal opinion to most things.
First I want to commend you all for keeping cool heads when posting in this thread. It can be a hot topic.
Second I wanted to comment on the the wild horses in Oregon. You may be thinking of the wild mustangs or BLM horses. They do have wild herd running in Washington and Oregon.
Second I wanted to comment on the the wild horses in Oregon. You may be thinking of the wild mustangs or BLM horses. They do have wild herd running in Washington and Oregon.
Oh, I thought we were talking about domestic horses being dumped on peoples properties, not wild horses. Whoops.
I also thought we were talking about domestic horses being abandoned on private land. How does one abandon a wild horse?
If a domestic horse is dumped on public land does it then become a wild horse? Do the wild horses of the area ignore it or pick on it for being a "tame" horse? JK :lol:
I can't imagine dumping a horse on private land when there is public land available to do it on in the middle of the night.
I can't imagine dumping a horse on private land when there is public land available to do it on in the middle of the night.
I can't imagine its legal regardless. If its not against the law why do it in the middle of the night?
I do know its illegal to eat ice cream on Sunday in Oregon so who knows.
I do not support the group as whole, or most of the things they do. However, in certain circumstances, when there are no other options, they can be really helpful at getting things accomplished. They do truly care about the well being of animals. And I can speak from experience.
What is your experience, Finny?
The whole issue about people dumping horses, yes they are domestic, there SHOULD be a law against it but people keep getting away with it. There are so many rescue horses in this state due to that happening. And no, people do NOT want horses just dumped in their fields.
I do not support the group as whole, or most of the things they do. However, in certain circumstances, when there are no other options, they can be really helpful at getting things accomplished. They do truly care about the well being of animals.
Very true, well said.
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