I'm not sure what the argument was over - I am too lazy to flip back pages. But let's move forward eh? I hate to see people fighting 
PETA (controversy)
Ok, I was just reading a thread about horse racing and such and I saw PETA mentioned many times in it. It seems most of the members in this forum are against PETA but it also appears that there are a few people who seem somewhat supportive of them.
I was just wondering where everyone stands on this controversial group. I've looked around a little to see what PETA members and endorsers are saying and quite frankly in my opinion I cannot see how anyone could support such a group of people. They are a lot like terrorists in their beliefs and thought processes.
For example, here are some quotes from members of the PETA group. (note that they hold animal lives equal if not above human lives)
So for those of you who say "PETA does some good", why not rethink what you're condoning?
"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler
chickens will die this year in slaughter houses.
-Ingrid Newkirk (PETA)"
(_Washington_Post_, Nov 13, 1983)
"We feel animals have the same rights as a retarded human child.
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)"
(_New_York_Times_, Jan 14, 1989)
"Pet ownership is an "absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA"
(_Washingtonian_Magazine_, August 1986)
"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are "acceptable crimes"
when used for the animals' cause."
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)
(_Charleston,_W._VA_Gazette-Mail_, Jan 15, 1989)
"The optimum human population of earth is zero."
-Dave Foreman, Earth First!
"More
than anything we applied arson, and effectively we destroyed -- um,
let’s see -- the Northwest Fur Breeders Cooperative in Edmonds,
Washington, which we hit a week later after OSU. We hit Washington
State University’s Eastern Washington experimental fur farm. We did get
seven coyotes out of there, six mink, and ten mice … We burned down a
fur farm that was on the market to be sold, in Oregon also. We went to
the Michigan State University’s experimental fur farm program and
destroyed thirty-two years of research, by using fire once again, and
rescued two mink from there."
- SHAC rally, Edison, New Jersey (November 30, 2002)
In essence, PETA does NOT condone people having pets, it's goal is that there is absolutely no contact between animals and people.
I was just wondering where everyone stands on this controversial group. I've looked around a little to see what PETA members and endorsers are saying and quite frankly in my opinion I cannot see how anyone could support such a group of people. They are a lot like terrorists in their beliefs and thought processes.
For example, here are some quotes from members of the PETA group. (note that they hold animal lives equal if not above human lives)
So for those of you who say "PETA does some good", why not rethink what you're condoning?
"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler
chickens will die this year in slaughter houses.
-Ingrid Newkirk (PETA)"
(_Washington_Post_, Nov 13, 1983)
"We feel animals have the same rights as a retarded human child.
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)"
(_New_York_Times_, Jan 14, 1989)
"Pet ownership is an "absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-Ingrid Newkirk, PETA"
(_Washingtonian_Magazine_, August 1986)
"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are "acceptable crimes"
when used for the animals' cause."
-Alex Pacheco (PETA)
(_Charleston,_W._VA_Gazette-Mail_, Jan 15, 1989)
"The optimum human population of earth is zero."
-Dave Foreman, Earth First!
"More
than anything we applied arson, and effectively we destroyed -- um,
let’s see -- the Northwest Fur Breeders Cooperative in Edmonds,
Washington, which we hit a week later after OSU. We hit Washington
State University’s Eastern Washington experimental fur farm. We did get
seven coyotes out of there, six mink, and ten mice … We burned down a
fur farm that was on the market to be sold, in Oregon also. We went to
the Michigan State University’s experimental fur farm program and
destroyed thirty-two years of research, by using fire once again, and
rescued two mink from there."
- SHAC rally, Edison, New Jersey (November 30, 2002)
In essence, PETA does NOT condone people having pets, it's goal is that there is absolutely no contact between animals and people.
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I beleive the name calling and profanity I mentioned was off topic.
If you don't understand what I post and want to do just ask and I'll explain it. I admit there are some posts I also have trouble understanding.
If you don't understand what I post and want to do just ask and I'll explain it. I admit there are some posts I also have trouble understanding.
Casper Star-Tribune Online - Homepage Lead
I found this interesting on the Peta debate.
I found this interesting on the Peta debate.
Hmmmmm curiouser and curiouser...
^^^ reminds me of alice in wonderland. lol.
hahaha thats where i got it from LOL
Wow this is one very long and somewhat offtopic thread in some parts! But entertaining and informative nevertheless!
I personally had no idea about PETA. I'd heard the name before once or twice (call me a little 'behind' *rolls eyes*) but never actually knew what it was.. thank goodness I read this thread and checked it out myself! Like the majority of you, I have to agree that PETA is just well.. crazily extremist. I'm gob-smacked actually!
I personally had no idea about PETA. I'd heard the name before once or twice (call me a little 'behind' *rolls eyes*) but never actually knew what it was.. thank goodness I read this thread and checked it out myself! Like the majority of you, I have to agree that PETA is just well.. crazily extremist. I'm gob-smacked actually!
I think I said it before - can't remember, but if PETA and SHARK spent all their energy helping the SPCA investigate all their reports, they would be doing a lot more good, rather than finger pointing and trying to shut down every sport that involves animals with false accusations.
JMO
JMO
PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals. Support your local rancher : )
Mmmm. Love those tasty animals.
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I really don't see how peta does any good. They're all way too radical about the way they go about everything. Plus I love my meat so long as it is raised and culled humanely.
I just got address labels in the mail. Free! So PETA is good for something.
PETA could have been a group that did good. All it stands for now is a militant type of group that uses overly aggressive ways to get their point across. Oh, and they also kill off animals themselves and actually get caught doing it (remember the scandal about them putting the dogs/cats down and they tried to deny it?).
They have such a bad taste (pun intended you tasty animal folks!) associated with their name that even if they could turn around and do some good, not many would care. They need to clean their act up.
I hold a fishing kids event to get kids hooked on fishing and being in the outdoors with their families. Many of these kids are low-income families that don't have the means to buy equipment to go fishing. We provide them with fishing poles that they get to keep so that they can go out fishing.
PETA was going to protest the event a couple of years ago because they said the fish hooks hurt the fish. Our local political reps got involved and told PETA exactly how it would look for them to deny an event that did something to help keep kids out of trouble and start being with their families. PETA backed off and never threatened to boycott another fishing event.
The sad fact is there is an over-population of domestic pets in the world and not enough people out there to adopt them and not enough room in most facilities to house them forever. Education is the best thing any group can do. Spay/neuter your pets. Not all this media crap PETA likes to pull.
They have such a bad taste (pun intended you tasty animal folks!) associated with their name that even if they could turn around and do some good, not many would care. They need to clean their act up.
I hold a fishing kids event to get kids hooked on fishing and being in the outdoors with their families. Many of these kids are low-income families that don't have the means to buy equipment to go fishing. We provide them with fishing poles that they get to keep so that they can go out fishing.
PETA was going to protest the event a couple of years ago because they said the fish hooks hurt the fish. Our local political reps got involved and told PETA exactly how it would look for them to deny an event that did something to help keep kids out of trouble and start being with their families. PETA backed off and never threatened to boycott another fishing event.
The sad fact is there is an over-population of domestic pets in the world and not enough people out there to adopt them and not enough room in most facilities to house them forever. Education is the best thing any group can do. Spay/neuter your pets. Not all this media crap PETA likes to pull.
No, you can't leave an animal to starve to death in a field even if it is your own. ( here in Oregon) It just takes the officials a little more time than what most would like, to do something about it.I'm confused about the law in Or. So your saying people can abandon a horse to starve etc. as long as its in a feild? I assume they have to at least own the feild?
Does that clear this? I have read the animal rights , abuse and neglect laws and although I can not give you the exact ordinance numbers, it says that it is against the law to abandon an animal, horse, cow etc.ect.
PETA was the backer behind ELF. ELF is the group that burnt down the local horse slaughter plant and the BLM Wild Horse corrals here in our area. OK so maybe the slaughter plant was a good thing because the guy never rebuilt. But the adoption center did nothing wrong. The really bad thing is that in the slaughter plant fire 27 horses were burnt alive and in the BLM fire 6 horses were burnt alive. When asked about the senseless killings of these horses, the reply was "A few must die so that many might live"...And that's ethical treatment? I think NOT!
You can read all about ELF here. It also speaks of the BLM fire and the Cavel West (slaughter plant) fire.
Earth Liberation Front (ELF)
Look for this listed towards the bottom:
July 21, 1997
Redmond, OR
Arson of Cavel West meat packing plant in Redmond. Estimated cost over $1 million. Joint ALF/ELF claim.
Nov. 29, 1997
Hines, OR
Arsonists destroy a U.S. Bureau of Land Management horse barn, chutes, pens and equipment. Four hundred horses are released, but they are later recaptured. The Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front take joint responsibility. Damages: $474,000.
Note from me: The adoption center is only about 200 yards from Hwy 20. When the 400 horses were released. Many of them crossed the Hwy. That is a major truck route. How none of them got hit is beyond me. The reason the place burn to the ground and was not discovered until morning is that its about 7 miles from Hines in a secluded area and was done at night.
Here is more about it here too....
Arsonists Strike BLM Burns Adoption Center
However there needs to be a correction there. Loyd Mullholland, who I knew, worked there at the time. He told me that the saddle horses that they used for working the wild horses were stalled in the barn and where lost when the barn burnt.
The Horse: Sentencing for Slaughter Plant Arsonist Postponed
The Horse: Animal Liberation Front Arsonists Sentenced to 12 Years
Its sad that, despite these horrendous acts that PETA supports, they are still taking in million of dollars in donations.
You can read all about ELF here. It also speaks of the BLM fire and the Cavel West (slaughter plant) fire.
Earth Liberation Front (ELF)
Look for this listed towards the bottom:
July 21, 1997
Redmond, OR
Arson of Cavel West meat packing plant in Redmond. Estimated cost over $1 million. Joint ALF/ELF claim.
Nov. 29, 1997
Hines, OR
Arsonists destroy a U.S. Bureau of Land Management horse barn, chutes, pens and equipment. Four hundred horses are released, but they are later recaptured. The Earth Liberation Front and the Animal Liberation Front take joint responsibility. Damages: $474,000.
Note from me: The adoption center is only about 200 yards from Hwy 20. When the 400 horses were released. Many of them crossed the Hwy. That is a major truck route. How none of them got hit is beyond me. The reason the place burn to the ground and was not discovered until morning is that its about 7 miles from Hines in a secluded area and was done at night.
Here is more about it here too....
Arsonists Strike BLM Burns Adoption Center
However there needs to be a correction there. Loyd Mullholland, who I knew, worked there at the time. He told me that the saddle horses that they used for working the wild horses were stalled in the barn and where lost when the barn burnt.
The Horse: Sentencing for Slaughter Plant Arsonist Postponed
The Horse: Animal Liberation Front Arsonists Sentenced to 12 Years
Its sad that, despite these horrendous acts that PETA supports, they are still taking in million of dollars in donations.
lol. Hell no, I'm not gonna read the 8+ pages of comments because I can only imagine the arguments stemming from this thread. I'm just here to state my opinion.
First of all... "The optimum human population of earth is zero." Well, then why aren't these people just killing themselves?? I don't know, makes sense to me. It'd be a good start anyway.
"Acceptable crimes"? No comment.
And one more point - If no animals were ever killed EVER and just left to be, our world would be overpopulated beyond belief, and we'd be up to our ears in dead animals because there would be an enormous lack of resources (ie. food, shelter, habitat, etc.).
Two of my favorite shirts:
PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals
and
Meat is Murder. Tasty, tasty murder.
=)
First of all... "The optimum human population of earth is zero." Well, then why aren't these people just killing themselves?? I don't know, makes sense to me. It'd be a good start anyway.
"Acceptable crimes"? No comment.
And one more point - If no animals were ever killed EVER and just left to be, our world would be overpopulated beyond belief, and we'd be up to our ears in dead animals because there would be an enormous lack of resources (ie. food, shelter, habitat, etc.).
Two of my favorite shirts:
PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals
and
Meat is Murder. Tasty, tasty murder.
=)
lol. Hell no, i'm not gonna read the 8+ pages of comments because i can only imagine the arguments stemming from this thread. I'm just here to state my opinion.
First of all... "the optimum human population of earth is zero." well, then why aren't these people just killing themselves?? I don't know, makes sense to me. It'd be a good start anyway.
"acceptable crimes"? No comment.
And one more point - if no animals were ever killed ever and just left to be, our world would be overpopulated beyond belief, and we'd be up to our ears in dead animals because there would be an enormous lack of resources (ie. Food, shelter, habitat, etc.).
Two of my favorite shirts:
Peta - people eating tasty animals
and
meat is murder. tasty, tasty murder.
=)
Amen sister!!!!
They've sent me a dime or a nickel before.I just got address labels in the mail. Free! So PETA is good for something.
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