Hopefully this will work and there will be a photo of Zippo Pine Bar
This would be one of my favorites
This would be one of my favorites
High Brow Cat isn't in the same universe as that first shown sorrel stallion Isn't High Brow Cat bred for reining?
That diaper-butted one, first photo posted, has such a straight hock as to be non-functional as a using/riding horse. THAT is where breeding for a certain look goes off the rails; when you get horses that can't really do anything. I just don't see horses quite as pure pets, yet, as most dogs are. Dogs used to be bred for using, too, but they've 'graduated' to being pets , for the most part. But it's sad when a dog is bred so big headed that they can't even give birth normally, but require Ceasarian birth.
I completely agree. I think by turning a blind eye to color and instead breeding for quality horses, high quality colorful horses will become more common with time as long as the color genes never truly go away.While that may be true, I really don't quite buy it. If we can breed nice solid colored horses, we can breed nice patterned horses. Nice patterned horses do exist. If people can't see the conformation for the color that's one thing, but that doesn't make the horses any different to breed. And certainly colored horses don't have the monopoly on bad conformation, the horses at the beginning of this article prove that.
I guess to answer your question, I would breed them both.....I would have both in my breeding program. I would cross the exceptional colored horses with the truly exceptional solid horses. Sure, there will be a few solid patterned horses as a result perhaps, but that's why there are "breeding stock" Paints. And crossing two flashy horses doesn't necessarily increase your odds of getting a colored foal either. And breeding two flashy horses (frame for instance) can increase your odds of genetic problems (lethal white) as well. There is a whole lot that goes into it.
Maybe I'm an optimist, but I don't see why we can't have both.
I always thought a good strategy would be to breed a homozygous tobiano stallion (of very good conformation of course) to quality mares of any color. That would give you very good odds of color AND quality.
I'm loath to judge people on all sorts of things I disagree on, including 'fashions' of breeding. And many things are done in ignorance - I can understand that too. But if you are going to knowingly take things to the extreme that the animal suffers for it, you bet your bottom dollar I will judge you, and I will judge people who don't care whether others knowingly cause suffering to animals too.if someone wants some odd bred atrocity, more power to them if they are willing to deal with the consequences. It’s not anyone else’s right to judge.
My friend's reining horse is one of his get, I think. or grandson? not sure. This Cat got a Gun.No he's not in the same universe as the halter horse pictured in the OP.
I posted his pic in relation to the the discussion of stallions not showing their feet in their "dating profile".
High Brow Cat was/is a cutting and reined cow horse sire.(he died in 2019 but frozen semen is available)
I feel a little bit the same about how the Andalusians/PRE have changed.I think the absolute best thing would be implementing breed standards and for judges to actually stick to them at shows, ESPECIALLY world show level. What wins is what is in demand. The unfortunate thing is that a conformation-monstrosity can be a wonderful under-saddle horse (well, until it becomes unsound).
I don't know how the world could revolutionize breed standards and expectations...I know my #1 priority with buying a horse is long-term soundness, not just soundness in the few years it's in the show ring. My half-Arab is still sound at 23, and performing as he did at 10. Meanwhile the 10 year old QH (that has HORRID leg conformation) at my barn seems to be dead-lame every other week, requires special shoeing, injections, etc etc (and it's still lame half the time!). You would think that longevity would be prioritized when breeding for a foal, but I truly think that is something that is on the backburner. Instead it's what will win and sell NOW.
It frustrates me to no end.
Denny Emerson recently posted about how many foundation Morgan fans are upset at how the Morgan breed has evolved (especially revolving around how light bodied many of the show-ring Morgans have become). I don't think it's necessarily bad to breed traits in for a specific discipline, but looking at the horses below, I see one that is clearly a Morgan and one that could be confused for an Arabian or Saddlebred...
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ECP Anchor Man, a featured stud on the Morgan website:
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