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Of the 4 bits, I like #2 or 3 the best. Absolutely not #4 unless you are familiar with gag bits and, for whatever reason, you need one.

My all time favorite curb has a Billy Allen mouth piece and is made of sweet iron. Why are you looking for a different bit and what are you using now?
 

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Why are you looking for a different bit and what are you using now?
I'm currently borrowing some sort of custom-made, twisted curb. It's like this one minus the gag-action. http://www.horsetacknow.com/images/products/210502.jpg I absolutely hate the look of the bit, but my horse works extremely well it it. I'm looking for something similar that is milder and I can call my own. :)


This one is junk. The others are okay if your horse is pretty well trained. this bit is not a breaking bit. I wouldn't by tractor parts at my tack store so I don't buy tack at the tractor supply store.
Okay. Thank you. :)

Also, a new question.... Are the first three considered Tom Thumb bits? Why or why not? I've read some other bit posts, and I definitely don't want to confuse my horse with a TT. Thank you!!
 

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I absolutely hate the look of the bit, but my horse works extremely well it it. I'm looking for something similar that is milder and I can call my own. :)

So don't look at the bit just put it in the horses mouth. If the horse works well in it then it is not too severe and you are doing your horse and yourself a disservice if you change what works to conform to an internet trend. No bit is harsh if used properly. Man I get tired of typing that phrase. As far as Tom Thumbs go it's mostly people that are confused by TT's not horses. Use what works and don't worry about labels.
 

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So don't look at the bit just put it in the horses mouth. If the horse works well in it then it is not too severe and you are doing your horse and yourself a disservice if you change what works to conform to an internet trend. No bit is harsh if used properly. Man I get tired of typing that phrase. As far as Tom Thumbs go it's mostly people that are confused by TT's not horses. Use what works and don't worry about labels.
Okay. Thank you, but like I said, I'm borrowing it, and it is a very expensive ($150) bit, so..... yet again, a new question: What inexpensive alternatives might work?
 

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Take the picture to a tack store and they can possibly order one if they don't stock it.
 

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This is my bit with a Billy Allen mouth piece. Mine is a hand made bit but Meyler and many others make them. Just google Billy Allen bit and many sites come up.

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However ...... if your horse is going well in the bit he is in, get on line and look for a similar bit. It doesn't matter what you like, it's what works for your horse. If he is going very well in the bit he has and you have educated hands, keep that bit (or one like it).
 

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I would most certainly go with #1.

-Why not the others?-

Number two would work too, but I just hate copper.
Number three would be one of my last ever pics, as copper gentle burns the horses mouth. Hence making them salavate, and listen to commands. My friends horse had to be moved into a bitless, as he had been trained, and lived using a copper, he had permanent damage to his mouth.
Number four would be very unnecessary for what you are planning to do. Simply trail riding shouldn't be a struggle, and you want it enjoyable for horse and rider. So that bit would make it comfy for you, but probably not very relaxing for your horse.
 

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Number two would work too, but I just hate copper.
Number three would be one of my last ever pics, as copper gentle burns the horses mouth. Hence making them salavate, and listen to commands. My friends horse had to be moved into a bitless, as he had been trained, and lived using a copper, he had permanent damage to his mouth.
I'm going to put this as gently as I can. You are wrong. copper doesn't burn a horses mouth. Millions of horses are ridden with copper mouth pieces and this is the first time I have heard of a horses mouth being permanantely damaged. Either your friend is selling you a line of bull or someone has sold her one. Or it's possible that this one horse has an allergy to copper. I have horses that I raised that get ridden several time a week with copper in thier mouths and if it were going to happen it would have happened by know. Please don't perpetuate garbage "facts" like this.
 

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Of the ones you posted, I like the copper mouth the best. I almost always ride my trail horses in a "tom thumb" type bit (like the ones you posted) and I as a general rule they are the bits I can use on ANY of my trail horses. I know on the internet people like to bash the tom thumb, but my horses go great in them, so I will go by what the horses work well in, not what the humans say. :lol: Also, I have never had a problem with copper either.
 
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