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hey all, to give you guys some backstory, i have been riding/in the community for about 5 years now. i didn’t grow up riding or with horses and as a result there’s a few gaps in what i probably should know by now! as a result i am here. i have a brad mcclellan saddle i’ve been riding the entire 5 years. i’ve been oiling it over the time i’ve had it, but didn’t realize i had to wash it. as you can imagine i’ve been doing quite a bit of scrubbing because of the film that’s developed over time because i just oiled over the dirt instead of removing it. my questions are these:

so because of the scrubbing i’ve had to do to get the caked on dirt and oil off, it seems like the saddle’s finish is being scrubbed off too. it’s lighter on the surface parts of the tooling where i’ve scrubbed. is there a way to remedy this? i can’t avoid it if i want to remove the gunk but i also hate the color & would like it to be dark again. could i dye it? or would neatsfoot oil fix it?

what do people mean when they say “soak” a piece of leather in neatsfoot or other oils? do they mean to just apply a generous amount and let it set? would i go back and wipe the remaining excess off?

should i oil a seat? it’s a smooth seat not a rough out or anything like that but i was told once not to oil a seat so im not 100% sure.

how long after oiling it should i wait to condition the leather? how long after that until i can ride the saddle again? how do i avoid getting oil on my pants?

i think that’s all the questions i have for now. thank you for your time!!
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WELCOME to the Forum....

With all the oiling you've done my thought would be greasy feeling and soaked leather is what you have....

Do you have a saddleshop nearby that does repairs?
Or a older cobbler, aka shoemaker shop where you could take the saddle for evaluation of what you are doing to the leather thinking you are scrubbing dirt gone...
Now saying colors are changing and you think its the tanning process....quality saddles do not lose their tanning easily makes me say slow down and get some true help from those who know leather, leather quality and how tanning is done and by what method.
To dye a saddle, many make a comment like its real easy....
Ever do leather dyeing before?
Are you sure you want to be the one to dye the saddle so it looks uniform everywhere or are you figuring to "spot" dye and think it will match???
Saddleshop or a cobbler who has been around cause they also often see horse tack and have worked on it would be where I would go before anymore cleaning takes place...
Those professionals can also advise you on what products to use specifically since different products indeed interact differently with different tanning processes and so do dyes...

Saddles need sparse oiling....aka not often
They need to be wiped off of dirt and filth with a soft cloth more than anything.
A cleaning only as needed with saddle soap or what that saddle tanning process reacts best with sparingly and no soaking of leather with oils or anything else...not the way you mean it or make it sound.
Leather is a breathing product and coating it in layers of oil and solvents ruins it and shortens its life and safety for us using it....yes, you can rot leather. And although harder today because thread is polyester or nylon twisted and cotton...to wet/greasy does have a adverse effect on that too...
Its not a simple answer to what do you do...
If me, with what you are describing I would be off to a professional and after a evaluation make some changes or indeed let the professional clean and save my saddle, even dye it so it has a sameness you have stolen in appearance.
I wish you good luck.
🐴.... jmo...
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WELCOME to the Forum....

With all the oiling you've done my thought would be greasy feeling and soaked leather is what you have....

Do you have a saddleshop nearby that does repairs?
Or a older cobbler, aka shoemaker shop where you could take the saddle for evaluation of what you are doing to the leather thinking you are scrubbing dirt gone...
Now saying colors are changing and you think its the tanning process....quality saddles do not lose their tanning easily makes me say slow down and get some true help from those who know leather, leather quality and how tanning is done and by what method.
To dye a saddle, many make a comment like its real easy....
Ever do leather dyeing before?
Are you sure you want to be the one to dye the saddle so it looks uniform everywhere or are you figuring to "spot" dye and think it will match???
Saddleshop or a cobbler who has been around cause they also often see horse tack and have worked on it would be where I would go before anymore cleaning takes place...
Those professionals can also advise you on what products to use specifically since different products indeed interact differently with different tanning processes and so do dyes...

Saddles need sparse oiling....aka not often
They need to be wiped off of dirt and filth with a soft cloth more than anything.
A cleaning only as needed with saddle soap or what that saddle tanning process reacts best with sparingly and no soaking of leather with oils or anything else...not the way you mean it or make it sound.
Leather is a breathing product and coating it in layers of oil and solvents ruins it and shortens its life and safety for us using it....yes, you can rot leather. And although harder today because thread is polyester or nylon twisted and cotton...to wet/greasy does have a adverse effect on that too...
Its not a simple answer to what do you do...
If me, with what you are describing I would be off to a professional and after a evaluation make some changes or indeed let the professional clean and save my saddle, even dye it so it has a sameness you have stolen in appearance.
I wish you good luck.
🐴.... jmo...
hey there, thank you for your reply! however there’s no one within three hours of me that does it. thus the reason i started doing it myself. i’m currently following this youtube series.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVefsB9eZrq-8UJuBiYnID_B1kwQ_LO-o
the reason i say it’s dirt and oil buildup is because he talks about it in this series. it’s like a grey film. :/
what do people mean when they say “soak” a piece of leather in neatsfoot or other oils? do they mean to just apply a generous amount and let it set? would i go back and wipe the remaining excess off?
This would be for leather that is dry and not in condition. It can literally be soaked in a barrel with oil.
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First of all, it's a good idea to let folks know that it is a Western type saddle. I don't know the name of saddle you mentioned. Could you post a photo of it?
I clean English saddles for my job, so my information might not be helpful.
what I do Is use a damp sponge with glycerin soap and scrub the saddle down. Then I go back with a knife and scrape the grayish gunk off, running the knife parallel to the saddle as not the scratch it. This does leave a lighter area, but when I’m done getting gunk off I soap it again, then oil it. Neatsfoot compound is a darkening oil that i use most often. I sometimes don’t oil though, and if you’re saddle is over oilEd, you shouldn’t oil it for a little while. With English saddles, they get soft and scratch easily.
last, and most important in my opinion, I use a conditioner and go over the saddle with that. That helps waterproof the saddle, maintain color, and prevent cracking. It’s very important.
now, like I said, I clean English saddles. But I do think you should soap and condition the saddle, and maybe hold off on the oiling. And always do it in that order. Soap, oil, condition. You can oil the seat of most saddles if the seat is leather.
you can also Use a scrubby sponge or toothbrush to remove gunk easier.
hope this helps!
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First of all, it's a good idea to let folks know that it is a Western type saddle. I don't know the name of saddle you mentioned. Could you post a photo of it?
i will post a photo as soon as i get a chance. and sorry about that! it is a western saddle
I clean English saddles for my job, so my information might not be helpful.
what I do Is use a damp sponge with glycerin soap and scrub the saddle down. Then I go back with a knife and scrape the grayish gunk off, running the knife parallel to the saddle as not the scratch it. This does leave a lighter area, but when I’m done getting gunk off I soap it again, then oil it. Neatsfoot compound is a darkening oil that i use most often. I sometimes don’t oil though, and if you’re saddle is over oilEd, you shouldn’t oil it for a little while. With English saddles, they get soft and scratch easily.
last, and most important in my opinion, I use a conditioner and go over the saddle with that. That helps waterproof the saddle, maintain color, and prevent cracking. It’s very important.
now, like I said, I clean English saddles. But I do think you should soap and condition the saddle, and maybe hold off on the oiling. And always do it in that order. Soap, oil, condition. You can oil the seat of most saddles if the seat is leather.
you can also Use a scrubby sponge or toothbrush to remove gunk easier.
hope this helps!
this is so so helpful thank you so much! so how do you tell if a saddle is over oiled in your experience?
this is so so helpful thank you so much! so how do you tell if a saddle is over oiled in your experience?
Usually with English saddles it gets soft and scratches easily (eg, just running nail over it scratches it). It might feel a little soggy, too. Sometimes over oiling creates the gunky look, too.
in my experience, western saddles are supposed to be stiffer and a little more ‘varnished’ looking.. so I would assume if your saddle is floppy or feels overly squishy it is probably over oiled. And if the oil isn’t absorbing into the leather.
I said this before, it needs read/said again.... often less is more in taking care of our leather tack.

Saddle soap/glycerine quality products do a excellent job of cleaning. Some saddle manufacturers will "suggest" a particular brand product that compliments their leather processes as they do differ.
Neatsfoot Oil is a conditioner of leather.
If you are using the above products you are conditioning the leather when cleaning at periodic intervals so do not need an additional "conditioning" product applied...

The secret when you use oil is lightly, sparingly apply it from a soft cloth.
If the leather is truly dry it will soak it in within minutes of applying, then apply in the opposite direction a second very thin application, again using a soft cloth to control where it goes and how much is put on.
Let it sit for a few minutes to soak in, then wipe the excess away....
Buff with a clean soft cloth to a deep and luxurious shine that shows the true patina of quality leather.

To much oil will make your leather feel tacky or sticky, attract dust, and just not be nice to handle is my feeling....yuck.
Years ago saddles were sewn with cotton thread, today it is a cotton wrapped nylon/polyester core making it stronger but that thread can still be compromised with to much oil to rot the cotton fiber.

For me. quality saddle soap/glycerine and I use pure Neatsfoot Oil on my saddles and only oil when necessary, not very often.
Cleaning with quality soap will condition the leather and give it a natural ability to shed water and inclement weather conditions you may get caught in.

On my leather boots, I do use Mink Oil after polishing them....yes I polish my barn boots to nourish the leather and keep them from drying out because of caustic urine and feces walked through that occurs...My boots are worn daily so subjected to harsh conditions far to often to not take good care of them.
That Mink Oil does a nice job of adding waterproofing to sole seam, softens and does darken the leather some too...
Saddles soften with much use but it is different than softening because the leather hide is greasy and rotting....leather is still a living, breathing product even when used in saddles..leather does breathe and needs to.

Oh...and since this is a western saddle.... if you have roughout/suede or napped seat never ever oil or use saddle soap of any type on this part of the saddle.
Use a brass bristled brush to gently clean the fibers of dirt & debris which compresses them. Gentle brushing releases the yuck.
Best of luck with getting your saddle less saturated with to much oil used to often.
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