How many inches of shavings would you put in a stall that has concrete floors?
2BigReds;4421569 It can be quite hard on their legs over time too so I definitely recommend the gravel+mats+shavings method as well. :-)[/QUOTE said:Agreed, this sounds really nice with the ability of drainage yet mats so not on the gravel and adequate shavings to soften those hard mat surfaces.
I never saw or encountered any problems with any horses in my care or on my own horse either. I though was a stickler for meticulous clean stalls, heavy bedding due to the concrete and ever watchful vigilance for problems arising.
I buy 24 bags of shavings a month for my three horses stalls so multiply 24 x 5 and then add the governors part and it's a bit of loose change in shavings...or about $132 a month just for shavings.....or $44 a month per horse..... I have 2 10' x 10' stalls and a 10' x 20'. Love the larger stall because Only about 5 or 6 feet of stall is covered in shavings and the rest is just stall mats.I'm actually asking because I work at a barn (they train barrel horses) and recently the owners have told me to use less shavings. They are concrete floors and they said instead of using 8-12 inches of bedding that we only need to use 4-6". I'm not questioning their intelligence on the matter but that just seems kind of skimpy when you look at it.
That must of taken FOREVER to clean!!:shock:I did stalls in a show barn where the entire stall was turned daily to fully clean and fluff. Our stalls were bedded deep in pine shavings, 10" on the floor and deeper sides...stalls were 14'x14' boxes when bedded down probably made a 12'x12' box of usable space.
When I kept them in at night it was so I knew where they were and that they were safe when I wasn't around, to keep them separate when they ate, and to give them a place to sleep. My old ranch horse and Icelandic could care less (ranch horse actually prefers being out) but my Arabian was used to it, and prefers it. (He enjoys being coddled lol) He actually gets excited when he sees a nice soft pile of clean shavings. I think I'm understanding what you are saying (and agree, though I choose to keep them in) I was just not sure about the horse "shouldn't use the stall as a bed". Obviously most of those behaviors are to be done outside, but not sure what the "issue" with that one was.You can do whatever you want to your horses stall, so long as you understand the trade offs. You can dedicate the stall to be the comfiest horse bed ever, so long as you understand that your horse might not see it as a bed, but as a urinal that can be slept in.
Horses are not naturally animals that prioritize and seek out shelter the way humans do. Horses can be perfectly content huddled together in a mass in a down pour.
Now we obviously want to provide as much comfort as possible, but we need to be self-aware enough to know the line between anthropomorphizing your horses versus providing suitable and reasonable care.
I.E. "Are we deep bedding b/c it's what you would want as a person looking for a place to sleep?" Or "Are you bedding for the appropriate behaviors, and those results."
Are you (you, in the pejorative sense) trying to convey to your horse that you love it by filling the stall with bales of bedding? B/c if so that's not a realistic expectation.
Are you working with the horses instinct or fighting against it?
Basically it's about trade-offs. You don't NEED to set up your horses stall's primary function to act as his matteress. You can if you want, so long as you're fine with the consequences; spending the money on the shavings, and the time needed to change them out, etc. now if you don't buy the shavings or clean the stall or have to dispose of the used bedding go nuts! I totally get it. But as a barn owner I'm in the wonderful and rare position where the cheapest option, also happened to be the most natural for the horse, and best choice for the environment.
When you deep bed a stall, you are potty training your horse to pee inside. The methodology I learned in essence was about was about how to litter train your horse. Except that "litter" is a designated spot in his turnout ... Outside. Where the bedding/footing doesn't cost.
Hope this helps!
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I love big stalls: I think a 14 x 14 is way easier to clean than a 10 x 10, bedded to the same thickness.That must of taken FOREVER to clean!!:shock: