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I have one of those horses who loses shoes constantly.
He's a Thoroughbred with a history of hoof issues. He has pretty funky-built hooves in front that never really fully recovered from founder. He does fine as long as his shoes are on, but can't go without them for anything.
His feet are really screwy right now and losing shoes left and right. He is on Grand Hoof daily and I have just started up applying Rain Maker every other day. He wears shoes with clips, but it doesn't appear to be enough. Is there anything else I can be doing (that won't break the bank) to keep those shoes on? Or are we doomed?


Thanks a million for any and all help :D
 

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Find a different farrier! If you get the foot flat and clinch the nails tight and have the shoe fitted properly you won't lose shoes very often.
 

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We use the best farrier in the area, really..he probably could be a little bit better, but he's the best available.

My whole area is kind of weird about...well, everything. There's basically one good farrier and one good vet and one good boarding place..with no competition, and they're each the best available but not exceptionally great.
It's frustrating.

Is there anything else I can do?
 

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How many times have shoes fallen off in the last year? last shoeing?
 

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I believe three times, only in about the last two months (around here they call this the lost shoe season)
Basically he lost one, then a little bit of time passed, then he lost another and the next came off within a few days (even though the farrier checked it when he came to replace the other one and said it looked just fine) and betting the next one is due to come off pretty soon.
He's currently one-shoed, waiting around for Mr. Popular Farrier to get out.
He wasn't due to be shod for two more weeks.
 

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A horses hooves only grow about 3/8 of an inch per month and the y grow from the top so I would think that his hooves have not changed all that much in the last two months. I think you have a farrier problem not a hoof problem. He may have been in a hurry as a lot of farriers over schedule which is why they are always late or it could be something else. If he has a good reputation then give him another try but if you have the same problem on the next set of shoes give him the boot and use the second best farrier around. I bet if you shopped around you could find another decent farrier. There are alot of people in California!
 

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We use the best farrier in the area, really..he probably could be a little bit better, but he's the best available.

My whole area is kind of weird about...well, everything. There's basically one good farrier and one good vet and one good boarding place..with no competition, and they're each the best available but not exceptionally great.
It's frustrating.

Is there anything else I can do?
I have the same problem here, it's hard to find people who specialize in anything and that do the job really well. And if I do find someone they normally have to many other people so they won't come out.

I used to have a similar problem with a farrier, but I found a new one after searching forever. Every shoe he puts on, stays on until he takes it off. It's great!!

Could you use easy boots? Thats what I'm going to try...
 

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The reason people say that here is because we get really intense mud where I live and it is very rainy. It gets to a point where there is constantly a very thick layer of mud through the winter and then in spring it finally starts slowly drying up and gets to be this thick gooey crap that basically constantly yanks on their hooves when they walk through the mud.
Adding that to the fact that they are bad hooves in general it ends up being a pretty icky situation for shoes.
 

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I will try to get good pictures of them tomorrow morning before and after the farrier comes.
 

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Oh and I missed the question about the easyboots..I have tried them on my guy and it just didn't work out for him. He had to wear them nearly 24/7 to not go dead-lame and it was annoying as anything to keep thrush out! After a month or so of that I gave up and put the shoes back on.
I imagine they would work out well for horses that can handle being barefoot when they aren't being ridden, though.


And I know it sounds weird about my farrier and all, but he is pretty alright and truly the best in the area. I can say that for sure because we've been through every farrier worth trying in the entire area, literally, and went back to him in the end. He's definitely the most popular farrier around and for good reason when compared to the others, even the crazily overpriced guys we tried out..
But I do think the loss of shoes this time of year is almost inevitable around here for certain horses. A lot of people around me, no matter what farrier they use, have the same problem right now.
 

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our rocky is bad for loosing his shoes, he has soft feet and he happens to always head for the muddyest stickyest part of the field and the suction of the mud pulls them off, is there anyway you could put him in a dryer field? we found that once rocky was moved to a dry field with no muddy bits his shoes did stay on longer and my farrier uses quarter clip shoes, i think thats what they're called.
 

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He's pretty much already in the least muddy area of the stable, haha, the whole place just becomes a swamp..they do their best to work on the drainage but it's a little bit hopeless around here, we just have awfully muddy dirt and awfully rainy winters..it's very unfortunate.
 

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Alrighty..I hope I get these right, I was in a bit of a hurry to get him out for the farrier (sorry no time to clean them up) and was just photographing feet left and right.
We have...

Left front: (this is the one that lost the shoe this time and was pretty screwy and without the shoe for roughly 3 days..had been lightly touched up by me to take off the sharp edges)



Left hind: (barefoot, also that's just mud on the side, it's just a little chipped up under there)



Right front: (shod, had recently been lost less messily and replaced)



Right hind: (barefoot..at least I think this is the right hind, lol..)



In hindsight I could have taken pictures of all of the feet after the farrier came when they were clean, but I only took them of the freshly shod foot, sorry


 

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Also would it help anyone to have an x ray of his hooves? Haha I happen to have one from when he had laminitis...just thought I'd put that out there. =)
 

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Yep, nothing wrong with your horse's feet at all. Totally a farrier problem. Not one hoof is balanced. Way too much heel on most of those feet, the toe is long on a couple of them.

Disgusting job. I'm sorry you don't have a good professional in your area...I feel your pain.
 

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Yeah, it definitely is frustrating. What really takes it is that my horses have some of the best hooves at the stable because many other people use farriers that appear to be on drugs or something along those lines.
I will definitely continue to keep my eye out for something better and mention to my trainer to tell me if she comes across anyone better..

But in the meantime is there anything else I can be doing on top of what I mentioned? I've had him for a year and he wasn't losing any shoes until this "lost shoe" season..and since he was still here in town before I owned him I can say with certainty that he didn't have a better farrier before this, haha
 

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But in the meantime is there anything else I can be doing on top of what I mentioned? I've had him for a year and he wasn't losing any shoes until this "lost shoe" season..and since he was still here in town before I owned him I can say with certainty that he didn't have a better farrier before this, haha
The losing of the shoes is the least of your worries. It's all the stress and pounding his feet, legs and body are taking. He'll be uneven gaited, body sore, have difficulty engaging, suppling, being straight and everything else that goes with having feet that are unbalanced.

Educate yourself. Pick up some trimming and shoeing books. Then when the farrier is there suggest to him that he take a little more off here and a little more off there according to what you've learned. I have no problem telling my farrier I want him to take more outside heel, or inside wall, or whatever. I'm paying him.

Maybe, you should just go learn how to trim and shoe yourself?
 

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He never has any of those issues..he goes and does everything quite nicely. Even my trainer (who is one of the very few professionals in my area that actually does know considerably well what she's doing) is satisfied with everything.
I'm unsure if it's quite as bad as it looks here. They are due to be trimmed in two weeks or so, as I had said. They were last done on the 24th of February.
 
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