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I'm under the opinion that it should be banned because of the countless unnecessary deaths it has cost to both rider and horse. Mainly horse.

I would like to discuss both sides and hear what other peoples opinions are.
 

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Personally I don't think so, and I'm sure aubie would agree with me.

The industry has gotten a lot better about taken care of its horses, though there is still room for improvement. Some of these horses absolutely love what they do. You can see the light in their eyes when they're racing. Without a doubt they are born and bred athletes. I don't think the industry is perfect but also don't think it needs to disappear. Look around the forum and you'll find a lot of threads from race enthusiasts, regardless of what it's about, rather honoring a life or celebrating a victory. :)
 

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If you'd like a well reasoned perspective on the highs and lows of the industry (particularly the breeding and after care sides), I'd highly recommend reading the blog A Yankee in Paris: https://ayankeeinparis.com

I'm a fan with no direct connection to the industry (though I have extended family who have been owners and trainers in both TB and STB racing, primarily around Saratoga Springs, NY). I wish US racing was medication free and that poorly conformed horses (or those who can't race without Lasix or other drugs) weren't rushed off to the breeding shed. Otherwise, I mourn the loss of horses and riders just like everyone else, but also recognize that all horse sports, professional or amateur, involve risk.
 

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See it is all and well that the standard of care has improved but it doesn't stop the needless deaths.

At most I loathe the grand national, as I'm from the UK I know most of what goes on here not as much as what goes on in America.
In my opinion any life lost is a life too many regardless if it is horse or human.

I do not agree with using any animal as a way to entertain human greed. This is one subject I won't be swayed on.

I have a low tolerance of human beings, with personal things that have happened to me as I grew up and what I've learned about humans.

Animals should not suffer at the expense of a day out to the races. It is pure greed. But I do respect your opinion and thank you for sharing it.
 

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Well, let's see. There are thousands of horses out there who have homes because they are show horses, are in training to be show horses (or substitute racing horses for show horses if you like), or have the potential to be show or race horses. Stop racing and where do they go? What will happen to them when they no longer have a function? How many will YOU take?
 

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Dreamcatcher makes a good point ^^^

Also think about how many amazing show horses are OTTBs who once raced. If not for the programs that rehome them, so many that have found loving homes that give them care and a job to do would have gone to slaughter. Like she said, all the horses who have been bred to race, if they suddenly couldn't race, what would happen?

I've got a friend who owns an OTTB and another race-bred TB (she was bred to race but never did). Both have amazing homes with someone who cares for them. Both would be dead if not for this home, that is a fact based on their past, not an assumption.

I agree that some of what goes on in the racing industry is inexcusable, and respect the opinions of people who do not like racing though, as you also make good points.
 

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Sure you can re-home them but like any animal you can re-introduce them to the wild. Horses are and were wild before humans had their way with them, Sure it is an awful large task but it's a better choice that selling them off to meat markets or dealers. So don't throw that card at me and be so narrow minded.
 

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Sure you can re-home them but like any animal you can re-introduce them to the wild. Horses are and were wild before humans had their way with them, Sure it is an awful large task but it's a better choice that selling them off to meat markets or dealers. So don't throw that card at me and be so narrow minded.
These horses are DOMESTIC. You can't 'reintroduce' a domestic horse to the wild. Horses have been domesticated for thousands of years. Feral horses live typically short, brutal lives, and turning a domestic animal loose to fend for itself is the cruelest thing you can do. Slaughter would be kinder.

You have some very strange ideas about horses, especially considering you seem to know very little about them or the industry. I guess maybe that's typical of suburban people who have no clue what rural life is really like, and how livestock are cared for.

All sport horses have been specifically bred for their sports. These are not some mutts grabbed off the plains, that have been allowed to breed willy-nilly.
 

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See it is all and well that the standard of care has improved but it doesn't stop the needless deaths.

At most I loathe the grand national, as I'm from the UK I know most of what goes on here not as much as what goes on in America.
In my opinion any life lost is a life too many regardless if it is horse or human.

I do not agree with using any animal as a way to entertain human greed. This is one subject I won't be swayed on.

I have a low tolerance of human beings, with personal things that have happened to me as I grew up and what I've learned about humans.

Animals should not suffer at the expense of a day out to the races. It is pure greed. But I do respect your opinion and thank you for sharing it.
Sure you can re-home them but like any animal you can re-introduce them to the wild. Horses are and were wild before humans had their way with them, Sure it is an awful large task but it's a better choice that selling them off to meat markets or dealers. So don't throw that card at me and be so narrow minded.
So, if you are so against using horses as a way to entertain humans, why are you on a horse forum where we all share out the love of riding/interacting with our horses? And returning them to the wild is laughable. Given the option, my mare would curl up in bed and sleep in my house. I know another that would have practically laughed at you if you thought you could turn him loose and "return him to the wild."

Honestly, you seem to have the view that horses should just be turned loose because you have this strange notion they'd be all super happy. What you're missing is the horses that practically vibrate with excitement to do their job. My mare is one of them.

I followed along well enough with you regarding the Grand National, and your worry about horse racing (though I'm not at all against horse racing, I just see how those not involved with the industry could question it.) But then to toss basically all horse owners under the bus? Yeah, I'm not sure how well that will fly on this forum.
 

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Agree with the above, and simply calling someone narrow minded without offering any evidence as to why you're right and they're wrong holds no ground with me. I'm happy to discuss but will not argue. I see no point in arguing online with someone you have never met.

Can't type more due to slow internet connection, but I'll suffice to say to each their own opinion.
 

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Haha, You are extremely deluded and make too many assumptions about my life.

I live in one of the most rural parts of Scotland, I have studied agriculture for four years and again, I repeat myself I have been around horses most of my life. For love of god, stop making assumptions about my life just because I do not own a horse.

Not once have I attacked you on your opinion, I have respected it so again please respect mine.

Slaughtering horses would not be kinder. I do not agree with horse slaughter. That is another discussion in itself.

Regardless if the horse was domesticated, regardless if they've been domesticated for thousands of years. That is a humans doing and humans should do their best to take horses out of such dangerous things. I understand the wild is a cruel place. The whole world is a cruel place. But humans are the cruelest of all. You can easily have horses on a reserve or what please you.

It is apparent to me that our opinions clearly are polar opposites of each other, which is fine but do not go around thinking you are better than other people who have a different opinion to you it just makes you out to be ignorant and blind to alternatives for horses that would clearly be better for them.
 

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I would like to discuss both sides and hear what other peoples opinions are.

I do not agree with using any animal as a way to entertain human greed. This is one subject I won't be swayed on.

Animals should not suffer at the expense of a day out to the races. It is pure greed.

Sure you can re-home them but like any animal you can re-introduce them to the wild. Horses are and were wild before humans had their way with them, Sure it is an awful large task but it's a better choice that selling them off to meat markets or dealers. So don't throw that card at me and be so narrow minded.
Do you really want to discuss, or do you want to get snarky with those who have different opinions?

I disagree that you can re-introduce any animal into the wild. Domesticated animals are not wild animals. Yes, humans have influenced their lives but it can often be for the better. They don't have to fight each other for food, or fight against predators.


I do not agree with using any animal as a way to entertain human greed.
What do you classify as "human greed"? Just horse racing? Or does it extend to ANY equestrian event?

Do you own any pets yourself?
 

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I cannot find the link now but saw a fantastic article showing the fate of many wild horses after a few drought years in the central plains of the US. Most of the article and video were of ranchers showing the interviewer what wild horses really look like when nature is unkind. The pictures of dead foals and thirsty dieing horses was heartbreaking. And before we blame ranchers I would add that these horses were being fed and watered by the ranchers as well. They too had animals suffering. Ranchers can sell their stock in times when mother nature is unkind. Wild animals suffer and die agonizing slow deaths.

I used to cringe watching steeple chasing on CBS sports when I was young. Still not a fan but I understand that there are those that love the sport - as well as horse racing and cart racing. As others have said show horses, rodeo horses and even some back yard horses also suffer due to how they are ridden how they are cared for etc.
 

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Definitely can't re-introduce a domestic horse into the wild.
If I threw Redz into the wild...he'd die, no doubt. Wouldn't be able to survive. He was never in the 'wild', so he would not know how to take care of himself. LOL, he'd run back home as fast as he can. :rofl:

Same with my guinea pigs. If I threw them outside...they'd die. Not how it works.

It does not work that way, and it is not that simple.

But no, I do not think it should be banned. I personally do not watch it, I am not into it.
I believe in ANY industry (any discipline, any sport regarding horses, etc.) there are good and bad people. Yes, some are mistreated. Same with some jumpers, etc.
But not all of them are.

You should look up the Retired Racehorse Project. :) To give you some insight, those horses get a second chance and it's pretty amazing to read up on the stories. Not every horse that was raced was neglected though, that is untrue.

And nobody is bashing you for not owning a horse.
You don't have to own a horse (or even ride!) to realize that is NOT how things work. :lol:
 

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I do want to discuss it, I do apologise if what I said came across as snarky, it was unintentional.

Like I said I have a low opinion of humans. But that is a different story. You can say that about any wild animal anywhere, but that is life for them I guess and yes that is a point can be used against me but it is the truth.

I have the same opinion for any animal that is used for human entertainment, zoos, racing, dog racing etc etc. My opinion applies to anything that involves animals for human greed and the animals suffer.
Though a grey area for me is showing your horse, not dressage, show jumping or cross country. Just showing your horse and taking pride and joy in the your life. It is a grey area because I don't know much about therefore I cannot make an opinion that isn't biased or false.

And yes I do own pets, 4 cats and a dog but other animals have passed away recently due to old age, but I have looked after a horse while her owner was away in Spain for a few months.
 

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Sure you can re-home them but like any animal you can re-introduce them to the wild. Horses are and were wild before humans had their way with them, Sure it is an awful large task but it's a better choice that selling them off to meat markets or dealers. So don't throw that card at me and be so narrow minded.
NO.

What, so we should turn loose all our cats and dogs too?

Out here in my area, it is sadly very common for people to turn their horses, dogs, cats, and whatnot out in the desert, thinking it is the best thing for them. These horses are often found wounded, emaciated, and suffering, and must be taken in by rescues. Some of them have to be put to sleep they are so bad off. It would be kinder to send them to the slaughterhouse, as speedracer said, than to condemn them to slow suffering out in the 'wild'.

I guess that you are not aware of the very serious problem with wild horses in the USA. Or if you are, you possibly think like others I have seen make comments on youtube and such, that the wild horses should not be rounded up but left alone, etc.

The horses are not native, but are descended from domestic horses set loose. An overabundance of them, as we are currently dealing with, destroys the habitat for the native animals. The BLM has no choice but to round them up, leaving thousands in holding pens. The feed cost of caring for these animals takes a heavy toll out of their budget, so that any funds for management of the wild horses' breeding is extremely limited. All of those horses in holding pens desperately need homes, and there are simply not enough homes for them out there.

So we should all just turn our horses loose and let them fend for themselves, and create more problems like this?

I know that my sweet mare would miss her soaked alfalfa, our rides together, grooming sessions, the safety and comfort of her barn, 24/7 slow fed hay, and especially her peppermints.

But yup, with care like that, she would probably be so much happier being 'free'. :icon_rolleyes:
 

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To the OP:


I would like to ask why you started this thread? Are you writing a research paper or is your intention to re-educate the equine community? I ask because I find it odd that an new horse person would join a horseforum and start a thread like this. Now, don't get me wrong. You are more than welcome to join our community, in fact we encourage it. However, I feel like it's important to understand your topic so that we can better form our responses. You may also want to share some stats and personal experiences to explain your stance.
 

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To the OP:


I would like to ask why you started this thread? Are you writing a research paper or is your intention to re-educate the equine community? I ask because I find it odd that an new horse person would join a horseforum and start a thread like this. Now, don't get me wrong. You are more than welcome to join our community, in fact we encourage it. However, I feel like it's important to understand your topic so that we can better form our responses. You may also want to share some stats and personal experiences to explain your stance.
Exactly my thinking as well..
 
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