If the mare is preggers and not just fat, I think you should be more worried about a lawsuit from her owner, than thinking you're owed something if she manages to actually sell that mutt foal.

 

I agree, I would be a little scared she should be suing me for vet bills, not the other way around. :shock:

Look at it this way, she didn't want her mare bred and now, if pregnant, she will incur vet bills and risk her mare's life and health. Hopefully she isn't pregnant though.

No matter how nice Dak is, I'm sure the mare owner doesn't think he's God's gift to mares. :lol:

 

I have hard time to believe that he jumped in, bred her and then JUMPED BACK. I've just never heard about this happening. Through the fence - I don't know, I'm not sure how tricky it is. :wink:

But if it is pregnant, you can always do the DNA testing to see if it's by your boy.

 

...Uhm ouch on the mutt foal part. They're not bad looking horses. But I wouldnt be held liable from what I understand because I did not put the mare next to my colt, the barn owner did. I wasn't even aware of it until they'd been living next to eachother for amost a week, so If it happened it couldve happened before I even knew she was there.

 

...Uhm ouch on the mutt foal part. They're not bad looking horses. But I wouldnt be held liable from what I understand because I did not put the mare next to my colt, the barn owner did. I wasn't even aware of it until they'd been living next to each other for amost a week, so If it happened it couldve happened before I even knew she was there.

The foal would be a mutt.

Is your now-gelding registered? Is her mare? If no to either or both, any resulting foal would be considered grade, especially since it wasn't a planned breeding. That's just the way it is.

Yes, as the stallion owner you WOULD be liable. The BO could also be liable, but the owner of the horse who impregnated someone's mare is ultimately responsible. You knowingly owned something with testicles, and didn't make it your top priority to insure he wasn't pastured next to mares. Ignorance of how your horse was pastured won't hold up in court, because you should have known.

Pray that the mare is just fat.

 

I recently went through a similar situation where my studdish acting gelding was being accused of 'breeding' every mare in the barn. In the long run, he was in fact a gelding but he did mount the mares. Either way....if he did actually manage to breed her mare you will certainly be looking at some vet bills. I wouldn't be thinking about how much she is going to make off of a foal (5K for a foal in canada...I am in the wrong country!) but about how much it was going to cost me to get her to go away.

 

Kitten_Val, He was the only ungelded horase on the farm at the time and shes been there since before he got there, so Im pretty sure it would just be a waste of money on the Dna test ha ha. But the timing would mean he'd of had to have bred her in like october?

 

Yes, Mutt. Do you like the term grade better. Not registered = mutt or grade. Not a dig, just a fact.

I totally miss how you expect monies here.

 

corino, 5k was just an example ha ha, im sure it wouldnt be that much. As I said before I shouldnt be held resposible if vet bills are involved because I did not okay my horse to be there. That was the barn owners move. Then again she could always try to come after me, afterall I was accused of putting him in with her when no one was around. But what does everyone make of the winking in August?

 

To be honest I think it should be on BO. Many farms around here do NOT accept studs for that very reason they are studs and can breed. Unless the farm is appropriately occupied to handle the stallion (or dumb enough to just take it in and hope nothing will happen).

 

I would not worry too much one way or the other until after the vet visit.

 

Well I remember talking to the owner of the barn and saying that even though he wasnt studdy it probably wasn't a good idea to have her next to him, especially with thatf encing because had he tried to mount through the fence he could've been greatly injured and caused alot of damage. He assured me , since he lives on the property, that he was calm. I moved him a few times to the grass arena but he usually got moved back. I cant recall if he was next to her in the winter though. I dont think he was even pastured there last October/november.

 

I moved him a few times to the grass arena but he usually got moved back.

Wow - did you ask before moving your horse to a different turn-out area, or did you just go and move him? Totally not the issue here... but still... that's kind of a ballsy move on your part unless you had prior permission (although the "usually got moved back" part indicates probably not). As such, I can see why that woman may have thought you'd also be the type of person to throw your horse in with her mare... after your horse was "put back" the first time, the "hint" should have been clear, but, maybe I'm mistaking the situation. Annnd, if that were the case, and the barn owner wanted to be a jerk and support the woman's claim that you marched your horse to whatever turnout you thought you wanted him in (with her mare, specifically), that might give the woman a cause of action against you for impregnating her mare :-/

Anyhow: you have no legal stance if that woman's mare is bred. Bottom line. If she foals and the woman sells the foal for a million bucks, you can't do anything... and frankly, I'm surprised that you think that you have a right to anything.

 

My neighbor kept her yearling stud colt in the same pasture with her mare before he was gelded (he has since been gelded) and the mare never got pregnant or bred to our knowledge. So hopefully nothing happened in your case either. Especially with the fence in between. But that's part of the problem with having an ungelded horse. If someone turns up pregnant, they all come to looking to you. :lol:

 

Are you sure he didn't jump the fence and someone put him back in his paddock once they noticed he was out of it?

 

Well ok, yes the mares is registered. No mine is not. e wasnt gelded then because he hadnt dropped yet. As SOON as he dropped we went snip snip. Also as I said I told the BO I DID NOT want him next to her. Before I got him he was pastured with mares and geldings. Now just a quick reminder that this is not a bash the fugly horse thread, Im just asking given the circumstances do you think she could be in foal.

 

No one bashed a fugly horse. Actually no one mentioned any horse being fugly, except you. How is stating a fact, that the offspring would be grade, bashing anything?

Geez!

Uptight much?


Let me explain a little further why you would be partially liable. You knew the barn owner kept your not gelded horse next to mares. You told the barn owner you did not want your horse there, but you continued to allow the barn owner to put your horse there.
You have a responsibility. If the barn owner is not taking proper care of your horse (in this case putting him in an appropriate pasture) then it is your job to move your horse to a facility where the horse is properly taken care of.

 

I did move him away from her several times. Im not out there everyday, so forgive me for not being physcic. I also told the BO I didnt want him there. As for did he jump in and someone move him, no one has admitted to that. So I dont tihnk so. By bashing the horse I mean crooning over the fact that this foal ( if there is one ) would be garbage. When in reality alot of draft crosses are nicer then alot of warmbloods. At least in this neighbourhood. Anyways, the question was how many think she could be in foal? It has turned into a 'Your going to have to pay all the vet bills' . Totally not the question. I asked if id be entilted to some of the money if the foal were to be sold because that is what Ive read online from other circumstances like mine. As for the vet bills, from what Im gathering on the side here it would be on the BO for his negelegence. Also if we were to find out the mare was pregnant early on I could demand the pregnancy be terminated. But if shes ready to foal now, thats not the case. Also as I said my guy was gelded in March. He woulve had to have bred her in october or november last year :S

 

By bashing the horse I mean crooning over the fact that this foal ( if there is one ) would be garbage.

Not sure where you get where anyone said anything about garbage. For someone with an unregistered horse you are being some what of a breed snob. Grade does not equal garbage.

You are the one who tossed out a price of $5000 for selling the foal. It was just pointed out the foal will most likely not be worth any where near that amount, being that it is grade.

Stop reading into things.


I answered the pregnancy question. Wait for the vet. It does not good to guess if she is or is not. Wait for the vet.


And you (intentionally?) missed the whole point of my post. It is still YOUR and only your repsonsiblity to make sure your horse is properly managed. If the barn owner does not listen to you, then you move your horse.

 

Do you think if your BO found the horse in with the mare after you repeatedly told BO that you didn't like him there he would admit to it? Not meaning that harshly.

 

Its possible but hes a pretty honest guy. My thoughts at first were that maybe she wanted a foal so she threw him in with my guy, now shes trying to sue me for extra money on top of the foal? Its really hard to say. I've never found him in wih her, hes never even given her a sideways glance so I really have no clue. The BO said he never found him in there, and he said the same thing to me about maybe I found him and didn't say anything because I didn't want to be in trouble. Also the mares owner said she never found him in there. *shrug*

 

Its possible but hes a pretty honest guy. My thoughts at first were that maybe she wanted a foal so she threw him in with my guy, now shes trying to sue me for extra money on top of the foal? Its really hard to say. I've never found him in wih her, hes never even given her a sideways glance so I really have no clue. The BO said he never found him in there, and he said the same thing to me about maybe I found him and didn't say anything because I didn't want to be in trouble. Also the mares owner said she never found him in there. *shrug*

Could be one of possibility. Frankly, I'd just relax at the moment and wail till what vet says. May be she's just fatty.

 

I wouldn't worry about it until she was examined. Maybe the new stable she has her horse at is feeding her a different diet and she has just gained weight.

 

Ugh.. I can't move my horse because not everyone can afford fancy places. 5000 was an example, wich I already stated. I also already said that that is not the amount it would be worth. But I did sell a grade quarter horse who was resold for 3000. So I wouldnt say that grade means cheap. Apparently I could not be held liable, at least according to 3 different sites, and the opinions of everyone whos heard the story, other then on the forum. I will come back on in a week or whenever I find out if shes pregnant. Until then feel free to argue with eachother. Thanks to everyone who actually answered the questions asked.

 

I am with Kitten_Val. I would just calm down and wait to see what the vet has to say. IF the mare does turn up pregnant after a vet check, I would sit down and discuss it with the Mare's owner and the barn owner. JMO.

 

Actually (and I hate to point this out) there have been cases of mare owners sneaking the mare in with a stud. If and when things like that are proven the mare owner has been forced to pay the stud fee to the SO.

I don't think that in this situation the ANYONE should be blaming anyone yet. MO could well be just at fault as the OP or the BO.

Until it is known that the mare is pregnant, this is all speculation anyways.

Also I have known more MARES to break out to get to a stud versus STUD breaking out to get to mares. Just my personal experience. And yes the mares in question were major hussies.

 

And yes the mares in question were major hussies.

Lol!!! :lol: This is very interesting reading. I've never considered a situation like this coming about, but I'm sure it does from time to time. I have a gelding and a mare, so I don't think I'll ever be in this situation. I'd say just relax until you find out one way or another if the mare in question is pregnant.

 

I don't know what kind of fence was between your colt and the mare, but son in law thought his flimsy barb wire fence was sufficient as a stud pen. Now, his stallion is very respectful of the fence and hasn't tried to push through or jump over to get to the mares in the next pen. However, daughter's mare is such a hussy that she actually backed up to the fence and they did the wild thing through the barb wire fence. Fortunately, she didn't wind up pregnant and neither of them wound up hurt.

Good thing son in law thinks that eight years old is too old for a stallion to be used for breeding and plans on having him gelded come income tax time. (And if you think I'm going to tell him any different, you are out of your ever lovin' mind!)

 

Good thing son in law thinks that eight years old is too old for a stallion to be used for breeding and plans on having him gelded come income tax time. (And if you think I'm going to tell him any different, you are out of your ever lovin' mind!)

Funny! Now you just have to hope the vet will play along with it too. :lol:

 

any news?

 

Baby is only a yearling, at this time??? And he was gelded before he even showed any interest in any of the mares, even while in heat?

My guess is that the lady's mare is just 'well loved' and needs to lose some extra fluff...A colt is not going to jump a fence and THEN jump back in once he has had his 'fling'...Lol!

 

I gathered he was a yearling in 2009 and gelded this march as a two year old.

 

I would like to chime in and mention that while it isn't common, it isn't unheard of either for a stud to breed a mare through a fence without actually going over it. Pipe panel fencing would be pretty easy to do that through. I agree with everyone else not to worry about it until the vet verifies that she is pregnant. Even then, I wouldn't worry about it until after baby was born and a DNA test was done to ensure who the daddy is (or isn't). After that, you can start making arangements with the mare owner.

 

I would like to chime in and mention that while it isn't common, it isn't unheard of either for a stud to breed a mare through a fence without actually going over it.

I have a colt as a result of this!