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Sorry, the first link in my original post was a messed up video. Here is the right video...

 

If he is still Showing pain after a nerve block of the foot, it means the pain is higher up.

 

I wondered that as well, but the vet said she got no response from the flexion tests she did on the leg and knee. Could it be a shoulder problem?

 

I would get a second veterinary opinion.

 

New vet, old one didn't try very hard to find the issue =( Need to at least know where the problem is to start and fix it

 

I agree- get another vet's opinion.

 

Agree, on second vet. That lameness is pretty obvious!

 

does appear to be front left leg.

 

\Agree.
There is the possibilty of something like osteocondrosis in that left shoulder-was that checked?
Just an idea, as the leg had blocking done, further down, and he looks like a big growthy boy !

 

He looks lovely.

Get vet to check his heart. Don't mean to scare you, just rule it out as a problem. He is in good condition so probably unlikely to be that.

 

I think it in the rear......when he first strikes off his head comes up. Can you get someone to hold the camera while you too him directly away, and back?

 

I think it in the rear......

I thought so too greentree.....

I also am not positive where it comes from but immediately thought "rear" not front....
Time for a thorough vet exam by a vet specializing in lameness issues to find this.

When you find out what ails the horse, please do let us know.
Thanks.
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The video isn't really long enough.
It would be easier to spot something if you could have someone video you while you lead him away from the camera and then back towards it at walk and then at trot - do both twice - once turning him around and back to the camera to your left and then turning him to your right - to see how much difference it makes when he's putting more weight to the left/right when he turns
Ideally he needs to be a hard level surface
If you don't understand what I'm trying to ask you to do - this video should explain - though a longer run up than in this video would be better for us to see what your horse is doing - you can ignore the bit about 'dress standards!!)

 

Agree that the video is not long enough, or taken in the usual view, when horses are assessed for lameness.
Riders can also influence the picture, as a good rider can make a slightly lame horse look sound, and then there is the 'bridle lame, with that lameness only showing up when ridden
Good place to start, is flexion tests on all four limbs, and the immediately trotting horse away in a straight line on a hard surface
Totting a relatively tight circle, in hand, is also useful

This link goes into how lameness can be asses ed, trotting the horse in hand, watching for head bob or hip hike, making sure slack is in lead line, so the horse can move head freely

Learn Which of Your Horse's Legs Is Lame | EquiSearch

 

Well everyone, the vet was out Wednesday, had a 2nd vet come out for another opinion and it was confirmed with radiographs that it was a problem on the left front foot. There is a hairline fracture on the outside coffin bone, and they also said his coffin bone has some overly huge side wings to be his age. They also found an "arthritic" bone mass on the inside of his foot that looked like it was caused by damage from trauma at some point, so they said it could lead to chronic lameness, and they said that if anything does change it will take months to see anything. She said I can't work him at all. So I'm glad I at least know what it is, but looks like I won't be riding or showing him. ? thank you all for your opinions and suggestions!

 

So sorry tipsy.... a lousy diagnosis for sure.

Hopefully though now you know "the why", you can work toward a healing and careful return to comfort for the horse...

I wish you the best of luck.
:runninghorse2:...

 

So much for having a nerve block then - you'd have expected that to highlight where the problem was coming from
Sorry the results are pretty dire.

 

Sending good vibes for a speedy recovery.

 

Ouch, not a diagnosis one wants to get but at least you know. He's young, given enough time, he might recover to soundness, crossing my fingers for you, he's a beauty too.

 

Thanks everyone. I was pretty heartbroken. The vet called again last night with a more detailed diagnosis after sending the X-rays off to another specialist. Specifically the the medial collateral ligament has been torn (in addition to the coffin bone fracture) and she recommended at least 3 months of 24/7 stall rest and a special shoe. I'm hoping the youth on his side will help him recover to soundness! I appreciate all you guys!

 

i wonder if he might be a good candidate for "irap." that thing where they take blood from the hrose, spin it down to the platelets and reinject. it's like stemcell therapy or something like that. see how scientific and knowledgeable that was?

 

can anyone who knows what I'm talking about (better than I obviously DONT!), please explain this ?

 

Talking of platelet rich plasma therapy

Here is alink:

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best wishes to the OP, for the horse> I know first hand how heart breaking a soundness issue on a favorite horse can be!

 

^I've seen them do that as a treatment for melanomas (the new, so far very successful "vaccine"), but don't know too much more about it!

 

For Melanoma, human and animal, they use immuno theraphy, which is different.
In essence, the idea is to force the immune system to recognize the cancer cells as foreign



http://www.aoicenter.ch/clinic/downloads/melanom-impfung-bk

 

The ligament tear is really serious on top of the rest of the issues. I would plan on 24/7 stall rest for 3 months and then QUIET turn out for a year. Add the special shoe and compensatory trims with a top farrier throughout. See where the horse is at that point (15 months). IF you have the time and money.

If no better, well it is not like you did not try or give the horse a chance to heal and learn how to compensate.

I am sorry.

 

I really dont like the new edit feature. NM

 

The stem cell therapy is being used for tendon and ligament injuries with a quite high success rate, the cells are processed from the horse's fat, concentrated and then injected into the affected site. I saw it used with very good results on Saddleseat horse a few years ago
My own vet looked into using it on Willow when she did a pretty major destruction job on her front leg but came to the conclusion that although it would speed up the recovery time the end result would likely not be any better. Its a case of weighing up the extra cost involved against how soon you want the horse back in work. Willow made a full recovery with just the traditional rest and management regime
This article gives some good info on IRAP (Interleukin-1 Receptor Antagonist Protein), Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP) and Stem Cell Therapies

Regenerative Medicine ? Understanding IRAP, PRP and Stem Cell Therapies