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I am an NRA member and have hunted off and on most of my life. However I strongly oppose Sunday Hunting. Actually I'd like to see a few more restrictions, or more accurately actual enforcement of the laws we already have.
I wasnt happy with the NRA-ILA coming out in favor of this without asking or surveying its members for input. They are also sending out misleading information.

In my area deer shooting season runs about 3 months wide open, not the couple weeks claimed by the NRA, thats a full 3rd of the year, the best part I might add,
They also claim a low accident incident between hunters and non hunters as proof of safety, Actually it is just proof non hunters stay out of the woods.
What people do in my area is hard to dignify with the term hunting, Running deer into the roads with dogs and shooting them as they cross from the back of your truck isnt hunting in my eyes.
The current system is a very good compromise, Saturday hunting, Sunday for everything else, like horse riding. Sunday hunting would effectively ban the rest of the public from the woods the entire fall.
VA has no enforced trespass laws, and dogs wouldnt obey the boundaries anyway.
Please contact your state reps and let them know your feelings, Also demand they publicly make a stand one way or the other. William Barlow, my delagate has come out against it. Where does yours stand ?

Feel free to copy and paste this all you want,,,, Joe Ford.
 

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I wasn't aware that there was a bill pending to allow Sunday hunting in Virginia.

Can you give the citation for the legislation?

And I'm not sure from your post what you view as the problem; Sunday hunting or hunting deer with dogs?

Also, East of the Blue Ridge, in no county is firearms season for deer longer than two months, and in some counties is as short as three weeks.

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As a horseperson and a trail rider, I don't worry much about either archery or muzzleloading seasons, as there is very little risk to me riding in the woods.
 

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I'd be an unhappy camper if they did away with Sunday hunting here. I see a few problems with it. My hubby more often than not works 6 days a week so Sunday is his only day to unwind and hunt. Not to mention we eat a lot of venison (and upland birds) that we take ourselves, not having that would certainly add more cost to my grocery bill. I'd also wonder what effect that would have on cutting back the deer population. We have a huge overpopulation problem here, so much so that one individual can get 8 tags in my county. Hunters are also encouraged to hunt other counties where they can get more tags as well as open hunt days at our state parks with a draw. Last year my hubby took 6, 3 in my freezer and we had the other 3 processed to donate to the food pantry.

I mainly hunt pheasant & quail, that's such a short season as it is that if they took away Sunday hunting me & my dog would be depressed.

I do agree about the idiots chasing them down with trucks, that's not sport. Though I doubt any law would keep folks like that from doing what they are going to do. They aren't playing by the rules as it is.
 
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The dogs and lack of road hunting enforcement are a separate problem. But Achery starts 1 oct and muzzleloading 5 Nov, so gun hunting runs from 5 NOV-7 January in much of eastern Va add the archery season and it totals just over 3 months, (1/4th not 1/3 that was a typo above.)

The bill was voted down last session, but since then the VDGIF, and the NRA has come out in support, so I imagine 2012 will see it show up again

MH foundation Quarters, Do you go trail ride on your horse during deer season ? and how long is the season. It wouldnt be that big a deal to me if the season was truely only a couple weeks, but it is the entire fall and into winter down here.
 

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Our season runs about the same amount of time, though they split it up quite a bit. Bow is in now until Nov, firearms Nov-Dec including 2 weeks of muzzleloader, followed by late archery Dec to Jan 1. If firearms were in now, I might go deer hunting...too cold in nov/dec to sit in a tree stand for me lol!
 

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As I stated previously, archery and muzzleloading seasons don't impact my riding at all. I just wear my blaze orange, ride in the middle of the day, and try to avoid friend's tree stands so I don't spook their game.

In my part of VA, regular firearms season is 7 weeks long. So, Sunday hunting would mean 7 weeks of prime riding weather where I could only ride in a small area, so yes, I'm opposed. But I don't think it's a serious threat.

As far as hunting with dogs, it requires a very large tract of land. The only places around me where it occurs is at private hunt clubs with big leased tracks of land. Also, on a large farm property where I leased a barn and paddocks, the owners allowed a local hunt club to bring their dogs twice a year on doe days. While not to my taste, it's a very effective technique to reduce population, and as the last undeveloped property in a mostly suburban environment, the deer population was a huge problem. I cancelled lessons and kept the horses up those days, and the hunters would save me a haunch.

So while I don't want to participate in it, I don't have a problem with it when done responsibly.
 

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There in lies the rub, responsibly. Doesnt happen around me, the run deer everywhere and hunt from the roads. Dog hunters will turn there dogs loose on on eroad let them run across posted property, and shoot the deer as they run across the other side. And Nothing LEO will do about it.

But back to Sundays, as yu just said 7 weeks, 7 isnt a couple weeks like the NRA-ILA is falsely reporting. That is all fall.

Most of the decent places to ride are state and national parks and forests, many of them open to hunting. So just avoiding a "friends treestand " isnt gonna cut it.

Honstly I dont see the problem now. It is a very good compromise for everyone, hunters hunt six days a week, every saturday and all holidays, The rest of us are just asking for one day a week.
 

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You dont want people hunting on sunday, because you trail ride on those days? I have got to be missing somthing.
In MI, gun season is only 2 weeks long, bow season is 3 months long. I know nothing about muzzleloading. Hunting deer from the road or with dogs is illeal, in all areas, as far as I know.
No one trail riding is going to get shot with a bow...I mean a bow doesnt have much range and the hunter would be able to see that there is a horse.......
not to mention any chit chatting that goes on while trail riding would be a dead give away....and a ruined hunt.


The last thing this country needs is more gun legislation. Its silly to think someone shouldnt hunt ( not deer shooting) on sunday. If thats when they have time to put food on the table, then so be it.

I think the whole thing is silly. Enforce the laws that are already in place, not add more that hinders those that DO follow the law.
Passing a law doent affect those that break them, so no need for new ones.
 

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Joe, apparently you lack the basic requirements for critical thinking. I have dogs that I run on bear, lion, bobcat and ****. These are the same basic dogs people use on deer. Last I checked, dogs can't read no trespassing signs. Or anything for that matter. You are the classic problem of what's wrong in society. ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! What
 

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I do trail ride during hunting season, both on my own land as well as state park land. I wear my orange bird vest, bird pockets are good for horse junk too lol. The state park hunts are one day deals and they don't allow any campers, hikers or riders on those days.
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Not hunting on Sunday would be unfair to the people who have to work the rest of the week. Why would it be any different for hunters to want a law passed that says" horseback riders can only go in the woods on Wednesday" so we are free to hunt the rest of the week.
We have lots of months of hunting in Wyoming for the different species. We also have lots of folks that ride horses during hunting season to both hunt and to pleasure ride. It is just the way it is. Nobody is allowed to use dogs for hunting except for mountain lions, so that is not an option.
There are probably more hunters in your state that will oppose your "law" than there are riders.
I'm sorry, this is a completely silly idea. If you are riding on public land, then the hunters have just as much right to hunt that you have to ride.
 

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Your whole complaint is based on 12 days a year. Seems more like a brainless agenda than an actual issue with the practice. I would think you'd feel safer having deer shot at 30 yards in front of dogs than at 400 by some clown with cheap optics. I know I would. This is all about narcissism. The biggest problem with our society today.
 

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They tried to push the law in MD. ALL groups using parks (trail horse riders, bike riders, joggers, you name it) stood up against. So they were not able to push it through in several (most dense) counties.
 

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The dog hunters in our area area actually very considerate. They have actually asked permission to run them through our property, which truthfully, they don't need. Since dogs can't read no tresspass signs. The law does however state that no hunter can enter private property without the consent of the owner. Dogs on the other hand is a different story. Our local farmer has permission to run his dogs through our property. They give us no problems at all. He even lets us know when he's coming. The Sunday rule would be quite an irritant but not in my area as our hunters would be in church that day.
 

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Not hunting on Sunday would be unfair to the people who have to work the rest of the week. Why would it be any different for hunters to want a law passed that says" horseback riders can only go in the woods on Wednesday" so we are free to hunt the rest of the week.
Besides horse riders parks in MD are FULL with families, joggers, bikers, you name it. Way way more people than hunters. And many of them do work 6 days/week too and Sun is the only day to come out and enjoy the nature. Most parks in MD already has closure days for hunting when usual people are not permitted. Sun would be just way over top given a fact how many people go there on weekends.

So yes, as part of MD Trail Riders I voted against it (in fact 98% of people in my organization did), and we brought it up to the hearing. I know of several other organizations doing the same.
 

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horse riders have to work also, currently the law in Va is no hunting on Sundays. How is that interpreted as ME me me me, if I want one day out of 7 ? Hunters already get 6 days a week and now they want the 7th, If anything the dog deer shooters which have monopolized and ruined every other type of hunting are me me me.

It wouldnt be a big a deal if the season was only a couple weeks, but like I mentioned. In my area it is over 3 months long.

My purpose in this post is to alert people in VA that like the status quo. Efforts are afoot to change things. Those efforts include false information from the NRA-ILA, and the NRA-ILA were undertaken without any input from it's membership.
 

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Not hunting on Sunday would be unfair to the people who have to work the rest of the week.
I don't normally disagree with you wyoming, but I have to here.

I work during the week and the weekends are the ONLY times I have to ride in the fall/winter, so if Saturdays are already taken by the hunters, why should they get Sundays too? How is that equitable to the non-hunting population?

Don't get me wrong, I think hunters should be able to take whatever the quota happens to be for the species that they're hunting, but why should they be given all the prime autumn time, and horse back riders restricted to arena riding?
 

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I personally would rather shoot Bambi with a camera then a gun but to each his own. Husband wants to eat Bambi that means I have to cook Bambi....

As for hunting on Sunday, I don't want to see it either but I'm not going to scream that hunters are selfish or dangerous or inconsiderate. That is lumping a whole lot of good people in with a few bad ones.

If they were to pass it, then you could haul to any state or federal park any day of the week and ride. Not convenient I know, but it's trail riding at it's best. Me, I'll just ride at the house for a few months. It's cold and miserable out during that time of the year anyway.
 

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if they are not dangerous why do you ride at your house ? My reply of sefishness was a reply to being called selfish and unthinking because I think it is ok to have one day out of 7 reserved for non hunting activities.
Also I cant haul to state and federal land because as mentioned earlier they hunt there also.
I used to really enjoy hunting, I also grew up with no hunting on Sundays, There are many small steps we could make to eliminate soem of the problems, Like only hunting on private property, no dogs, or other sunday restrictions. But I see no reason to compromise, when like pointed out we are talking 12 days of no hunting out of the other 100. The 12 days of the year that tend to have the nicest bug free weather in these parts.
 

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virginia laws regarding private land:

Hunting on Private Property

Trespass violations, posting property, and access issues are all concerns affecting landowner's considerations for allowing hunting. Hunters are reminded that it is unlawful to hunt on private property without the permission of the landowner, and hunters must have the permission of the landowner to track or retrieve wounded game on private property.
On Posted Property:

It is unlawful to hunt without written permission of the landowner and is punishable by a fine of up to $2500 and/or 12 months in jail.
On Property Not Posted:

It is unlawful to hunt any unposted property without permission of the landowner and is punishable by a fine of up to $500.
Landowners may post their property by any of the following methods:

  • Using a paint mark of aluminum color paint consisting of a vertical line at least 2 inches in width and at least 8 inches in length, no less than 3 feet and not more than 6 feet from the ground or normal water surface and visible when approaching the property.
  • Signs that specifically prohibit hunting, fishing or trespassing on the property.
What Landowners Should Know

For landowners, finding responsible hunters can provide many benefits for both the landowner and sportsmen allowed access to the property. There are benefits of having responsible hunters included as an important part of the landowner's wildlife management plan, especially if they are absentee or do not hunt themselves. There are many in-kind benefits of such relationships including road maintenance, habitat improvement, security and safety. Reputable hunt clubs are also helpful, and lease fees can offset property taxes. Information on locating responsible hunters can be found by contacting local civic groups like Ruritans, or 4-H Clubs, sporting goods shops and area landowner contacts that participate in Tree Farm or Stewardship Programs. Members of sportsmen's conservation organizations that are dedicated reputable partners with DGIF promote safety, ethics, habitat improvement, and scientific management of wildlife.
 
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