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strange colic breakout -- really wearing us down.

3.6K views 20 replies 11 participants last post by  churumbeque  
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Three weeks ago one of our yearling fillies went down with a severe case of colic. We called a vet out immediately, recognizing that it wasn't a 'treat it yourself' type of colic, and after a thorough examination we were told that she had already twisted an intestine, and that it was severe enough that she had a less than 20% chance of surviving surgery to correct it. After talking, we decided to put her down. We had thought it was an isolated case, but three days later, our nursing mare Sassy (our mule's mother) coliced. Her colic didn't seem as bad, but we called the vet anyways- not wanting to take a chance. The vet treated her, rigged up an IV, and told us to walk her all night- and thats what we did. From 3 pm to 8 am the next morning, we walked her up and down the pasture. Still she hadn't urinated or pooped, and she seemed to be in more pain than before. So at 12 we called the vet again. This time the vet did a scope and found a blockage of some sort still stuck. She was able to dislodge it and we hoped that it would pass and everything would be fine. Not so.

We left for an hour to go get food, and when we came back- we found her lying down, dead. Devestated, we immediately decided to have both our water and our feed tested. The tests came back fine though. Next we tested the hay. It was fine. We were, and in some ways still are, baffled. We keep our minis on a dry lot to prevent founder and only let them graze for thirty minutes every two days, and there are no strange plants or such in either the pasture or the lot.

Then we started to think. In our area, we have been going through a nasty drought. We have had only one 5 minute shower (last night) since January 3rd, and all of our grass has died. We have worked diligently to keep all of the horses hydrated- filling buckets four times a day and adding electrolytes and gatorade as a precaution. What we didn't think about though, was all of the dust.

Dust has been a terrible enemy of our lately, causing runny noses in the horses and icky eyes. Without much we can do about it though, we put flymasks on the horses to keep it out of their eyes as much as possible. We have always fed our horses hay on a low platform and a mesh net over it to let any water run off that might get in it, but that makes it easy for dust to settle into the hay. We believe that the dust may be getting into the horse's intestines and/or lungs and creating problems. We have moved out flatbed trailer into the pasture and now feed hay on that, and go out twice a day to wet the ground. With all of the wind and 100+ degree weather though, its almost useless because the hay is still scattering, and dust is still whipping around everywhere.

This morning, our dwarf- Fea, coliced. Thankfully his was very minor and he has already fully recovered, but there is obviously something wrong still if TWO horses have died from severe colic in the past month. We're fairly sure that dust is the problem though.

So my questions are these. Have you ever had a horse colic because of dust? Do you have any more suggestions on how to manage the dust? and does our theory seem correct?

thankyou for reading this. Cookies to you all- it was rather long!
 
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#2 ·
Hi there so sorry for your loss of two horses i would try adding psyllium to their feed. It will help move sand from their digestive tract.Other then that i dont know. I do know how scary colic is iv lost one to colic back in 2003. Best of luck.
 
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If dust is a problem, it may be akin to a sand-ish colic; there are products on the market to help prevent sand colic. Interesting theory, I would definitely encourage you to speak with your vet about it.
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YESSS. As if on cue, the rain has come! It rained from 5 am this morning until about an hour ago- and although it flooded a stall or two of ours and the arena looks like a swamp, we are SO glad that its here. We're hoping the rain with settle the dust atleast for the time being.

And we did think about trying to add something to their feed that helps move dust/sand along. The problem is that we are a nonprofit therapy barn which means money is always a bit tight, and we have almost thirty minis and ponies. Buying something like that would cost a fortune. We may just have to cowboy up and do it anyways though, as we can't go on loosing horses.

Thanks for the advice guys!
 
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If it is unusually hot and unusually dry, you can get epidemics of colics from impactions. Horses need to drink a LOT more water when it gets very hot (like the 100+ temps you are talking about). If they do not drink more than usual, it is real common to have them colic, in bunches at times.

I am surprised that your Vet did not recommend adding loose salt to all of the horse's feed daily. We are experiencing a heat wave in Southern Oklahoma, so we started adding extra salt daily to all of the dry lotted horses and making sure the pasture horses have loose salt and loose mineral (25% salt) available at all times. They will drink a lot more water if they are fed loose salt than if they are not.

Many horses become chronic colicers in hot weather. Quite a few of them end up dying if the problem is not addressed. The same thing is true in unusually cold weather. Horses will not drink as much as they should and end up with dry impaction colics.
 
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If you are feeding grain, add water to it and feed a slurry, and you can, for very cheap, buy metimucil walmart brand and feed that once a day for a week out of each month.
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The tiny bit of more water a horse gets in a mash is of no use at all. A handful of loose salt or loose mineral will make one drink several gallons more water. That is what you need when the temperature goes way high.

I also am a fan of tubing with water and mineral oil mixed rather than straight mineral oil. Take a dry fecal ball and see if it disolves better in a glass of water or a glass of oil? Hot weather impactions are most often caused by too little water in the gut. That is what needs to be fixed.
 
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My deepest condolences for your losses.


Did you do a necropsy on either horse to give you an idea of what is going on?
 
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Cherie- living in Texas as we do, we already mix half a cup of salt with every bucket of feed from May up until September as the vet recommended, so he probably didn't feel that he needed to tell us again.

Our first thought was dehydration, too. We carefully monitor the horse's water intake though, and the increase seemed to be normal. Generally all sixteen horses will drink two to two and a half 50-gallon tubs in the summer, and they've been right at that mark. Ofcourse, we understand that this doesnt necessarily mean a horse is hydrated, especially in this weather- but when checking for the telltale concaves, gums, skin, etc, they all seemed fine. Either way, we did give them all IV fluids even before the vets arrived, but it didn't seem to make a difference.

We went out and bought some Sand-Free which is supposed to be a really good Pysllium flush-out. It costs almost $90 for a 15 pound bucket though, which was definately a large chunk out of our non existant money. Really hoping that it works! The good news though, is that now that the dust has turned to mud, everyone's eyes and noses are much happier.

Alwaysbehind- we were offered to do one on the first filly and declined, thinking it was a fluke. On the second mare though, after a lot of talking it over, we decided that it was best to go ahead and get one, so yes. The results won't be back for two weeks though, and thats a lot of time when you're dealing with colic like this. I'm really hoping the psyllium is going to work.
 
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#11 ·
drinking water in super hot weather.

Just for a reference I have 4 horses 3 of which are over 16HH and one small arab 14.2hh. My 4 horses go through 100 gal of water EVERY day sometimes more. and sometimes i come out after filling the tank in the morning and it's almost gone in the afternoon. if you are (LIKE ME ) coming out to find empty water tank ever I'd say that you need a bigger water bucket. (I do too)

My water tank is 100 gal or 120 gal i think it's 120 gal but obviously that's not enough in this hot weather. I live on the gulf coast and i can look out almost any day and see my horses all sweated up just staning in the pasture grazing! i have not even thought of ridding it's just to darn hot.

also plz check your worming program. parasites are a huge factor in most colic cases now days. even if you are worming are you switching products and are you POSITIVE the horses all get a full dose??
good luch and i'm very sorry for your losses.
 
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#12 ·
ps

you can usually tell of the horses are dehydrated by looking at their poo. if they have a slimy mucus in their poo it means they are dehydrated.
 
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I helped recently with a colicing horse. This horse took warm water from a bucket and we squirted mineral oil in his mouth. He came through. I made it a practice to give gatoraide as a treat and my horse loves it. In the winter he loves it warm. I know this would be difficult if you had lots of horses.
 
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I understand that, but as mentioned, all but two of these horses are miniatures, which stand 28-36 inches tall. They drink quite a bit less than our average sized horses. None of them are dehydrated according to the BO and to the vet, so I'm assuming that they are perfectly fine.

We have them on a worming program and have not had any signs of worminess in the past or present, thankfully. I highly doubt that worms would be the issue.

No way to really know until the results come back I guess. Everyone seems to be feeling much better after the rain though, which is a good sign ^^ we'll just have to wait and see!
 
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regarding minis

you know i kind of forgot you were dealing with Minis and honestly i know less then nothing about them. I have raised dogs for many years. we have French and English Bulldogs which are pretty extreme breeds. I've noticed with the Frenchies which are mini bulldogs, that they have the potential for a lot of problems that the regular bullies don't have. something about breeding something for size only for so many generations just makes them more susceptible to everything.... it's easier for them to die having puppies, easier to die of any dog disease. they have more wierd reactions to vaccines...
they are just more delicate.

I hope you figure out whats wrong and possibly it's just this heat and no rain that's doing them in. the extreme heat causes a chain reaction that involves a lot of things we don't think about like a lack of grazing, lack of water to cool off in, lack of shade from trees drying up etc...
 
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Heaven- I've actually heard a lot of negative feedback about mineral oil because they can asperate(sp?) it. I've also heard that it doesn't really coat the stomache or anything at all dispite what everyone says, but is digested. For that reason we don't usually use mineral oil, but we do use banamine and a few other natural things to help them. Unfortunately the yearling had already twisted an intestine by this time, and the second mare died unexpectedly, even after treatment and improvement. Colic is a crazy thing.

WildAcreFarms- you're absolutely correct. We've had so many crazy problems with our minis...from skeletal malfunctions such as too-narrow airways to allergies to leather (Makes for a very...interesting...situation) you just never know with these little guys.

We're still waiting for the results, but once we get them in, I'll be sure to share them with everyone who is interested ^^
 
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I am so sorry about the loss of your horses.

You also need to contact your extension agent and ask him about any plants/grasses/weeds that become toxic when the weather is in severe drought, (or rain too for that matter) as many growing things change their chemical makeup when the weather is far from normal.

Somewhere I read about just this, and believe it too was in Southwest? But the plants were not toxic when the weather was normal for that area, but during extreme prolonged drought became poisonous.

But the USDA extension office could tell you, AND call the best university in your state and ask to speak to the botany professor and describe what is happening. IF they are any good, they might be able to help. And the Vet department too at the school.

Make sure too, to contact the mill that feed came from as they could be running chicken feed through before horse feed, and that will colic and kill them too, if even a tiny bit of some of the ingredients gets put into the horse feed.

And report this to the CDC, as I think they are the ones who keep a rundown of pet food recalls and medications.

But type in search engine "animal food recalls" and try "drought makes plants deadly to livestock" or words to that effect and see what comes up.

I will try and find the book that I read about the plants killing livestock during drought, if I can. Older book, and will have to search through my horsebooks, but will look.
 
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thank you SO much Palomine. I'll try to get that done as soon as possible, you've brought some very interesting theories to the table. I did already contact the mill and report that two of our horses have died of colic and (now)two have minorly coliced. All seems good with that, but I'll be contacting them again after we get the autopsy results.

again, thankyou! You've been very helpful.
 
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Churumbeque -- don't forget these are only minis.

Endiku -- mineral oil isn't meant to coat the stomach and it is not digested. Vegetable oil is digested. The mineral oil is intended to get things moving -- a laxative really.

Interesting ideas from Palomine. But, what/who is an "extension agent?" Never heard that one. I wonder if we have an equivalent in Canada.
 
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