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Hi there. Im new to this forum and reaching out hoping that someone out there has seen this before?



My Vet and I have been battling this for 3 years now and I cannot believe that we can't find a cure. Please note we have biopsied for Pemphigus. Samples sent to the States (we are in New Zealand) to a specialist, was told twice that it is NOT Pemphigus or Coronary Band Disease.

A short history:

OTTB Gelding, brought as a 3 year old with this condition, The vet thought it was a mud fever at the vet check.

He has never been lame. Condition worse on his back heels. Presents like fingered/threads of fungi? when you pick it off it reveals pink skin underneath. You can wash it off after a long soak, leaves skin raw but doesn't weep? Just grows back.

If it dries out and gets knocked off he will bleed very lightly, but just like a scrape.

Around the coronet band its dry and in winter will also grow the same textured fungi things.

Hair sticks out at odd straight angle.

NO other skin conditions. No Ulcers in mouth. Great overall condition and is a happy healthy rehabilitated OTTB.

We have tried steroids (no real change)
Taken him off grass in case of contact allergy, we stabled him 24/7 in wraps!!(lots of walks in the soft arena during the day to get rid of energy, but NO Change)
Topical Steroids (nothing)
Mud Fever Creams (just soaks of the fungi thing)
Medicated foaming washes( Helps but doest get rid of it?)
Manuka Honey, nappy rash cream, Vitamin A, pretty much all the creams in the shops I have tried!

Best results come from a mix of canneston (anti fungal cream) and manuka, but not sure if this just keeps the condition moist, so it washes off easier?

Here are some more images of it after a wash:




and just some more in general:









I would really like to solve this! as it must be painful for him, and also not great for his hoof wall in general.

ANY ideas or advice would be greatly appreciated!!
 

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Is it a form of canker? although it looks more like mud fever. Hopefully someone will be able to help. The hooves themselves look contracted and uncomfortable, a spell without shoes might help open them up and balanced minerals to forage can have a dramatic effect on skin conditions and thrush.
 

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My OTTB had a bout of this recently, I don't know what it is and haven't had the vet look at it.

He maybe had it for 3-4 months tops.
I at first thought it was gravel/dirt stuck to his hoof but when I went to curry comb it off I realized he was sensitive and it looked like a fresh wound underneath it.. Then my friend told me it was fungus (so I treated it for fungus)

Step 1. lightly curry comb it off if possible and can be tolerated
Step 2. Wash with betadine or leave the betadine on it.
Step 3. I use MTG or Thrush Buster On It
Step 4. Let air dry.
Step 5. Trim the fetlock and hair around it.

Also try to keep the stall as clean as possible without moisture.

Fortunately though his condition did not look as bad as your boys (sorry :( for your luck) But honestly I think that WRAPPING IT is a bad idea because you are trapping moisture in it and I really think it is a type of fungus. Because I only seen it where it was rainy or wet from snow.
 

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Based on my general experience in the past with the odd and the obscure, these usually come about when more than one thing is happening at once which is why it makes it difficult to claim one ailment/disease as the cause. So, from what has been said already by yourself and the other posters, is it a situation of contracted heels (affects circulation among other things), a fungus/virus infection, an allergy, all along with an autoimmune deficiency? Whatever it is, it does seem to be originating subcultaneously which is why it is washed off but returns.

Best of luck with curing it and please keep us updated on your progress with this mystery.
 

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You mention Vit A in the creams section of remedies you've tried, but have you tried giving him Vit A dressed on his feed? I use the cattle injectable Vit AD&E from Jeffers and have cleared up all my skin issues and had no repeats.

Have they cultured for Sporotrichosis (known as Rose Gardener's Thumb in humans)? The pics you show don't really look like it, but since it's being stubborn to diagnose, just tossing it out as a thought.
 

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His trimming job looks odd to me in a couple pics. Maybe post some pics in the hoof critique section. Might as well rule out everything (and good to have a good trim anyways of course!)

You didn't specify, I assume it's on all 4?

Is it sensitive on the immediate area? Have you tried gently "scrubbing" to get rid of it (you said once it's off it grows back- so to maintain it being off) Did you try just general antibiotics? I assume you treat daily?
 

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My mare had something very similar to that last Spring. I just assumed it was mud fever. I picked off the "bumps" and they would bleed. She was never lame and didn't seem to be in pain. When the bleeding stopped, I coated the back of her feet with Corona wound ointment. It cleared it up and hasn't come back...yet.
 

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a full blood work up or a visit from an equine iridologist to have a look! it could be the simplest of things causing it! i find treating with herbs in cases such nas this really works! Best of luck and let us know hoe you get on!!
 
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