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Soo about a year ago I bought a horse thinking he was a registered arabian gelding, he was 13 years old, and he was a stud in his "glory days". Well the vet recommended a specialist but he was guessing this horse was about 18. I've been asking the girl all this year to send me his papers. She still hasn't she got upset when I told her that I need the papers NOW. She gives me the same excuse everytime, I'm moving, or I may have misplaced it cause I'm SOOO busy. I told her this time that she better find his reg. number, and buy his papers cause I want them, and I want them now. She then replied back with the same excuse! :-x What should I do?!!!
 

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I would be asking is this the horse i thought i bought?? is it possible he was stolen? definitely try trace his past
 

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If you have a bill of sale does it say he's registered? If it does, I would tell her to cough up the papers or you'll take her to small claims. In some states it's considered breach of contract to sell an animal as registered or papered and not provide documentation supporting such or to make it possible for you to transfer ownership.
 

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Unfortunately, you should have demanded the paperwork to verify before you picked up and paid for the horse. a vet check at the time would have helped to verify his age. You've already had him a year, I would imagine it is too late to do anything about it at this point. Buyer beware.
 

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Unfortunately, you should have demanded the paperwork to verify before you picked up and paid for the horse. a vet check at the time would have helped to verify his age. You've already had him a year, I would imagine it is too late to do anything about it at this point. Buyer beware.
Yep, unfortunately ^^^ this is true. :-|
 

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I agree - you should of been more "on the ball" when you were in the process of buying him.

What does it matter if he's registered or not? Does that minimize his worth to you? Is he still not a good horse?
 

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Yes he is a WONDERFUL horse, but I still want his registration papers to see his age, and if he was owned by other people, and possibly find out if he was used as a stud. The fact that I bought him and she kept telling me he was registered. In fact I thought she was giving me the papers the day we picked him up. She said she was going to send them to me in the mail the next day, because she left them at her apartment, so I gave her my address. I bugged her all year about it to send them to me. She kept saying shes moving, and she misplaced them. I asked her if she knew his reg number and if she could then purchase them.
 

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It sounds like to me that either you are just gonna have to let it go or take her to small claims court. She obviously isn't going to get them to you without someone with real authority breathing down her neck (if she even has papers on him). A vet should be able to give you a ballpark figure on his age, certainly whether he is 13 or closer to 18. If he was sold as a registered horse, it is on the bill of sale, and the price was appropriate to a registered horse as compared to a non-registered horse of similar abilities, then you might be able to get the papers if you take her to court. However, there is no guarantee that it would work and it would likely cost you more money than you paid for the horse to begin with.
 

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I'd threaten her with legal action and see if that helps. Is he tattoo'd?
 

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I'd threaten her with legal action and see if that helps. Is he tattoo'd?
Arabs don't get tattooed for registry purposes. You can choose to have them tattooed or branded, but it has nothing to do with the registry. I believe Thoroughbreds are one of the only breeds that are tattooed as part of the registration process.
 

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Yes I have the bill from the website, it says he is registered, plus I have emails of her stating he is registered. I just want his papers, I love him I mean, I wouldn't care that he is registered or not. But the fact that I thought he was registered, and I don't know if she's lying or not bothers me.
 

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If you have his registered name, all you need is someone with an AHA membership to look him up online - I used to have a couple friends who'd look up all my info for me when I was researching the bloodlines on my horses.

Obviously you still want his papers, but if it's a huge fight and you want to determine his true age, it's simple as 1, 2, 3 to find someone on HF with an online membership to search him up. Make a post in the breeding forum - I did that for my Paint filly and some kind soul looked her parents up on the APHA website for me!
 

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If you have his registered name, all you need is someone with an AHA membership to look him up online - I used to have a couple friends who'd look up all my info for me when I was researching the bloodlines on my horses.

Obviously you still want his papers, but if it's a huge fight and you want to determine his true age, it's simple as 1, 2, 3 to find someone on HF with an online membership to search him up. Make a post in the breeding forum - I did that for my Paint filly and some kind soul looked her parents up on the APHA website for me!
Thanks Soo much! I'm going to try that on the forum! I have looked on the registry cause I know is full name but I can't find him. I can find his mom, and dad but not him.
 

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what is his registered name? If he was used as a stud and the foals registered, it should be somewhere. It sounds to me like you bought a horse as registered and she sold him as such, but there aren't any papers and she lied to sell him quicker. Because she won't even give you a number makes me think he has either never been registered or stolen. I would have an attorney send a letter demanding the papers or that you will persue legal action on her. It doesn't cost much to get a lawyer to send a letter, might scare her.
 

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I hate to be the skeptic but I would probably lean towards him being either unregistered or she really may have lost his papers. If she really has lost the papers, tell her you would like HER to apply for a duplicate copy.

If he were stolen, I doubt his seller would still be answering emails.

If he wasn't registered, I doubt his seller would still be answering emails.

I would guess that he was at one time registered and she honestly lost the papers. Its expensive and a drawn out process to get duplicate papers without proof of registration. Do arabs do dna?
 

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Yes arabs have to have DNA IF, IF they are to be breeders and want any folas registered. If any mare is to have foals and you want them registered she must be DNA bloodtype. Same for stallions. Now if you arent going to breed.. them.. why pay to get them DNA? My gelding, while half registered, isnt DNA typed but his momma had to be so I could register him. Even as a half arab she had to be DNA typed.

If he IS registered you can eventually track his papers down. If the seller was indeed the LAST REGISTERED OWNER then she has to get the duplicate copies. But if she never transferred the paperwork you can ONLY get papers from the LAST registered owner(s) of the horse. AHA does not budge nor give out ANY information. I know, took me 9 years!! to get my old geldings papers. And that only because we ran into his original owner- his breeder- and she recognized him. Now he was 18 at that time and she hadnt see him since he was 2 yrs old! So... yes he had a personality. Anyway, she contacted the AHA and the papers were NEVER transferred out of her name. So she got a duplicate set and then signed them over to us! I was such a happy camper.

So dont despare. It may come about. It does help to have a registration number. And not sure, but they may listed last registered owner on the database. Not a memeber and dont subscribe to the database as i am not a breeder or seller.
 
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