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I hope I am doing this right. I seem to be very sub-forum challenged! Anyway, this is a continuation of my recent posts in other sub-forums.

Just for amusement's sake, what the heck is "Dogpatch"? For those who aren't old enough to remember, Dogpatch is a ficticious place in a cartoon strip from the 20th century. Kind of a political satire. It was a poverty stricken dump of a community in the back country someplace. We moved to this place in 1980 and it acquired its nickname almost immediately, being a tommy-tumbledown dump, with past residents being of a reportedly unsavory character. The nickname stuck and we still find it amusing.

Anybody who's been kind enough to read my recent posts knows my current project is Laddie, a half Clydesdale, half Standardbred gelding, about 23 years old. A very gentle but troubled soul. I'll just pick up where I left off.

Laddie and I continued to work on jogging on the right rein, but we've hit the anticipation/anxiety threshold and Laddie's responses were deteriorating a little bit. I was asking for some "long interval" transitions, jogging from one letter to the next, dropping to a walk, jogging again, etc. But the "whoa" button got messed up, he wasn't stopping quite as well when asked, REALLY anticipating the jog cue and tensing up because I was starting to use a little more rein pressure to get the downward or stop transition, and he responded by getting a little more bracey.

There's no way at this point that I'm going to let him fall apart! So we backed our transitions down to walk/whoa/stand and abandoned the jog for the rest of the lesson. Stops got sloppy, so we just walked a small circle. He "knew" why we had to do this and preferred to stop after that. We did a few really good repetitions, enough to be sure he was relaxed and feeling successful.

Chatted with the neighbor over the fence when we were done, and Laddie stood there with his big ol' head in my arms.

Here is today's mud...er...mug shot. Next time I'll take that ugly halter off.

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I’m glad you started a journal!!
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I loved them too! I am imagining our Sunday paper, delivered Monday, weighed much less than yours however. It came from a bigger town than ours, as ours was a maybe two page paper, and it only comes out once a week and has no funnies.
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I loved that story so much! I’d have died of a heart attack. I am not brave when it comes to horses and carts.
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How does a one rein stop work driving a horse? I think part of my issue with driving is I feel so out of control. I’m sure it resulted from my big wreck as a kid driving, but I don’t really understand it to top it all off.

I mean, when I’m on a horse I feel like I know the tools I need, for the most part. Yes there are horses out there that can get my bluff, but at least I have a bluff. Lol. Driving I feel so at a loss. The biggest part of that loss for me is the cart itself. It has to have space to maneuver. So, when Zeus moves wrong or isn’t paying attention, he can get messed up in the cart.

Now, he’s so smart and kindhearted I know it doesn’t matter much, but my fear is still present.
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I guess I feel like, even with him, that I’m getting by on his good graces. I don’t have the knowledge to really start a horse and get him super broke to the cart, if that makes sense. Yes, Zeus pulls the cart, yes he goes where we point him, but to me it always feels on the edge of not being right.

Now, maybe people with a fear of riding feel the same way. Yet, I know I can be on that edge on a colt, who goes where I point and stops when I ask, but I know he doesn’t have all of the tools yet to come back down from being up. He doesn’t have a true understanding and is working from a small knowledge base. So, riding I work on that base. I put education into him for those eventualities. Eventually I feel that he and I are confident, although I know a wreck could happen still, we are as set up to deal with it as possible.

Even on that colt I have tricks to use riding to have that feeling I can manage when things go wrong.

Driving I feel I am always on that second ride of a horse. Does that make any sense? Yet, on my second ride I have a few tools in my mind to make me more confident, and I know we will build our skills, and I am working towards that goal. I don’t know the skills needed driving. I don’t know how to survive the wreck.
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What happened?
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I’m sorry.
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I get that. I actually decided myself with Keno that I wouldn’t put myself through that any more. I’m not saying that’s a decision everyone should make by any means, but I won’t go out and fight with a horse looking for a fight everyday any more.

Now, I’ve gone through phases with all of them that are difficult, but those are in times I’m working through things and expect to get to the other side. I don’t love it during those times, but for me it is different to go out everyday working on a horse I will never be comfortable on.

Even The General, who I talk about often, and who made such a spectacular horse in the end, I probably wouldn’t do again. I appreciate everything he taught me. He taught me so much, and he was so good, but he just rubbed me wrong. I didn’t look forward to my days. I couldn’t find anything who was better than he was. He was spectacular, but when he went lame, and I bought Bones, I started having fun again.

Bones wouldn’t be called half the horse the General was, but I enjoyed myself so much more. Most anyone would choose a sound General over anything in my corral, and I still wouldn’t go back. I never was really confident on him. All our little arguments in his youth never completely left me. His condescending nature never appealed to me.

He was a good horse at least, and learned far above anything else I’ve ever ridden. Yet, I didn’t love him like I should have, and I didn’t have fun. Keno and I were going to die together if we kept working together. Not in the positive “we’ll grow old and die together” way, but in the “I will murder you if I die doing it,” sort of way. I won’t ever play that game with a horse again intentionally.
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The last day I rode Keno I sat and cried for a couple hours. I mean that ugly sobbing that is out of control. I couldn’t do it any more. When I said I wouldn’t step on him again, I meant it. It took me a while to get over it. It’s like I thought about it as a failure. I tried harder and pushed myself through more, than any horse I’d ever worked on. I still failed. That’s how I looked at it. I used every tool in my belt and I didn’t succeed. I put away my fear, and I forced myself to deal with things I didn’t want to.

I know Keno was an extreme, and there aren’t many born like him. Yet, I learned a lot from him too. I learned that failure didn’t kill me. I learned I could push through things I didn’t know I could. I also learned that my intense drive, and my determination, wouldn’t always be enough. I wasn’t willing to kill myself to get to the other side. I didn’t know that about myself. I learned to let go of my pride, and that it was okay to do that. I learned to give myself some value too.
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I am so thankful.
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I think, if you didn’t start him, I don’t remember, that someone messed up in his start. Then they tried their different ways of pushing him into things, and he just learned the tricks. I know Keno would feel entitled almost. The first insult he thought he took he would decide to kill both of us. It was easy to insult him, so he too would go from doing everything light as possible and correct, to just mad as could be. It didn’t matter how much I prepared him for, say moving his rib, he would feel the request and just go back to that place of anger.
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They can. For him to be turned so young I do imagine they messed up his training, or it is possible the trader did it. I’m sorry to say it, but I don’t think all horses can overcome the past. I guess it’s like some people who can’t either.

Some trauma it seems people can’t ever overcome. There is a point where life has changed, but the events that have led up to it cause them to be stuck in a bad place. I think some horses are like that too. Sure, there are some that it only takes restarting or even just doing things right, but some are stuck in the past.
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I tried to pm you, but it said I’m not allowed to. So, I will post what I was going to say to you here. It’s just not necessarily something I thought should be said publicly, but it’s not bad, just not necessarily the best idea to be out there openly. Lol
I think I should tell you the trick a guy used on Keno. I wouldn’t do it, because I don’t want to ride horses like that anymore, but in the end I had Keno over everything except for trying to turn, close his eyes, and dead run into objects.

The guy I gave him to is super handy, and he also had the same problem. He couldn’t get along with him at all, and said he was suicidal. Lol. He would be good, and then do the exact same thing, but he was brave enough to take him to work on flat country.

He hated him though, but an old hired man decided to ride him. He didn’t care, the guy is not exceptionally talented on horses, but what do you have to lose with Keno? He does however have some old tricks. We don’t tend towards tricks. If you can’t get by him honestly, why do it? Yet, I see the value in what he did with Keno. The horse is used for everything by this guy and his little grandson, and he’s fairly dependable to be honest.

What he did was take a rope, tied to the center ring of the cinch (that ring for clipping your breastcollar or a tie down), through both rings of the snaffle, and back to the cinch. Then he just rides him. The horse is stuck giving to that pressure all day, and obviously unable to push his way out of it. He is thereby unable to get his head up or to the side enough to really run away.

Now, I’m not recommending doing it, but it is a thought you might have in your head. If you did do it, I’m sure you know as well as I do not to get straight on him, because he could panic at the pressure, until he understood it. It’s the only trick I’ve seen that does make sense to keep a horse from the ability to really run away (a horse who can be light, like you described if I’m picturing it right).

I don’t think I’d ever do it myself, because I won’t put myself through a horse who needs such a thing anyways, but it is a thought and something I wouldn’t have ever thought about prior to seeing it used.
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I actually kind of love those books! Lol. Now, it’s not that I always agree by any means, but I did find them entertaining and actually knowledgeable. I don’t mean I’d do his tricks, but I did enjoy them.

Yes, there are a lot of tricks out there, and I don’t use them because I don’t believe in doing so. I will say though, I was going to have Keno put down. So, he gets a life where he is useful and happy, and I didn’t ever expect that for him. I actually saw him in competition this summer. I pet him. He gave me a dirty look and I told him I didn’t like him either. Lol. I am really happy for him to have found a spot where he is valued.
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I love that!
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I love Rocky!!
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I don’t like when horses get chargy uphill because they tend to blow up at the top. Lol. Queen has been really good that way, but yesterday I was in a hurry and trotted her down this sketchy hill. She got pretty humpy over it, but she calmed when I slowed her down. I think she was mostly just scared.
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Good for you for making a decision that is right for you, but also I’m sorry that this time has come. I’ve really enjoyed your journal!
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