Thomas Edison lived in a time when animals existed solely for use by mankind - in whatever dimension you want to consider. It was an entirely different time, and many people treated work animals horrifically. Being electrocuted was probably a godsend compared to what most animals endured back then.

 

I dont get the point of this post? That was along time ago and people had a diffrent kind of thinking then so why is it relavent now?

 

Thomas Edison should be the least of your concerns considering there is far worse happening in scientific studies in modern times.

A lot of the time though, it will end up benefiting us in the long run.

 

so what about the dogs and cats and such he killed too, what do you have to say about that? Horses were work animals, dogs were still pets back then. And it also led to the electric chair. Speaking of electric chairs, what are your views of capital punishment? I'm neutral about it.

 

Um, so? We kill animals everyday for food and clothing and sport. Dogs and cats weren't "pets", they were WORKING animals. The dogs were used for hunting, the cats were used for killing mice, and it would be quite a sight to see either animal allowed inside a house! They didn't sell dog food or cat food in neat little packages.

Death is the next step, for all life. It's ghastly to make them suffer for it, but fear of death is strictly a human emotion. Death is ugly cause you fear it, it's beautiful to demons! (props to anyone who knows what that line is from, LOL)

 

I didn't say it was relevant, it just came across my mind

 

They may have been pets, but nothing like what we have today.
To me, although I may love horses more, they're the same as a dog, cat, cow, pig, whatever. I'd eat any of the above if it came down to it.

My opinion is that capital punishment is a flawed system. If there was a way for medical professionals to do the actual lethal injection, I believe that would be far more humane. I don't really have a strong opinion either way.

 

Well true, Guess I made myself look like an idiot on here :/ Sorry guys

 

Beautiful music to die to.

BTW, Edison was a fan of DC - it was Tesler who favored AC.

 

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If you think that is bad you should read what all the Nazi "scientists" did to Jews. Read what experiments they did on twins and infants. Then get back to me on Edison.

 

If you think that is bad you should read what all the Nazi "scientists" did to Jews. Read what experiments they did on twins and infants. Then get back to me on Edison.

Actually not just jews. Polish and gypsies were "cleaned up" and "experimented on" even more than jews. And I'm pretty positive in countries like North Korea they are probably still experimenting with people quite a lot.

To the OP, if you think about experiments going on these days (like trying all different vaccines, mutations, etc. on say monkeys), how come that ever better?

 

Okay I get it, I just said I made myself look like an idiot, what more do yall want?

 

You didn't make yourself look like an idiot, everyone is entitled to their opinion. We're just discussing why we don't personally agree with it. No reason you can't think that way if that's how you feel about it!

 

I don't think your an idiot. There are things that people did in the past that suck, there are things people are doing right at this moment that suck and there will be things that happen in the future that suck...yadda yadda crazy mixed up world. Honestly, I had no idea Edison did that to animals, the stuff they don't tell you in elementary school!

 

Yeah me either! Yall are right though I shouldn't worry about the past. But that's the thing about me, I take a lot of things too close to heart. That's a big complaint I get from my friends. Doesn't take much to upset me. Sad thing is yeah I admit it I'm a guy, but I manage to get through the day thanks to my horse, she's like my psychiatrist You can rant about things to her more than any human would allow.

 

I don't think I ever said today was better. The vaccines is for the better of us, because it helps find cures. What good is proving electricity can kill anyway, people still get killed by it. There is no cure for getting shocked to death unless you wanna go overboard and wear all rubber or something. That was just a pointless experiment by Tesler and Edison. Now the testing for mutations I don't agree with that either. But like yall say there's always horrible things in the world and there's not much that can be done about it. But they do have a code of ethics for animals in labs today. Also They could ask around for consent from people to do this kind of stuff, you'd be amazed of the people in the world that don't care what's done to them, being a genia pig. But that's where it's unethical to alot of people. And it'd be more difficult to find those type of people. But in my views at least it'd be consent, animals can't consent to that.

 

But that's where it's unethical to a lot of people. And it'd be more difficult to find those type of people. But in my views at least it'd be consent, animals can't consent to that.

Neither can convicts, and they were used for years as experimental 'guinea pigs' for the government, as were soldiers who weren't told what was actually going on.

At Bikini Atoll, where the first hydrogen bombs were tested, none of the natives were given any warning or even asked if they minded that they were going to be bombarded with radiation.

Seriously, what are a few dogs and cats being electrocuted to literally thousands of people killed, maimed, or destroyed mentally by scientists, governments, and dictators?

 

Then that would be murder. But we all know the Government is screwed up. I bet they used the Excuse that it's 'punishment' for the convicts didn't they? I don't believe in capitol punishment. And what they did to the soldiers was very wrong. Didn't they get sued like crazy though for doing that to the soldiers?

 

I bet they used the Excuse that it's 'punishment' for the convicts didn't they?

No. They were just human fodder that nobody cared about. No explanations were necessary or ever given.

I don't believe in capitol punishment.

This is where we hold differing opinions. I think every rabid animal needs to be destroyed, regardless of its species.

Didn't they get sued like crazy though for doing that to the soldiers?

Some of the cases are wending their way through the courts, but many atrocities were never discovered until after the death of the person in question.

So no, very few cases have been tried. Besides, the people who committed these crimes are all dead now. Who do you suggest the victims sue? 'The government'? The people running the show now weren't even born when this was happening.

I do believe people should be compensated for their pain and suffering, and the government can and should take care of that. As far as bringing any actual people to justice for their crimes, that boat sailed long ago.

 

I meant back then, not now

 

And as far as capital punishment goes, killing them isn't going to change the fact they murdered someone. Sometimes they just need help not killed, but then again they're better off dead than spent the rest of their life in a looney house or prison.

 

And as far as capital punishment goes, killing them isn't going to change the fact they murdered someone. Sometimes they just need help not killed, but then again they're better off dead than spent the rest of their life in a looney house or prison.

Bolding mine.

I really do not care if they (convicted criminals) are better off any where. I do care that I see no reason to pay to keep them comfy with 3 squares a day, cable tv, all the education they want and free medical & dental care when they could not bother to even try to live by the rules of our society and went to the extreme of murdering someone.

I also think living/working inside a prison is dangerous enough and we certainly do not need to make it more dangerous by having a large population of people who know there is nothing else that can be done to them since they are already there for life.

 

Yeah you're right

 

Yeah I think I've been converted about the capital punishment thing But it doesn't take much for me to change my opinion about things, I'm still learning :P

 

I agree, I do not support capital punishment from a revenge point of view - quite honestly, if I was out for revenge, I'd be much happier seeing someone locked up in a cell for the rest of eternity. Don't kid yourself, dangerous offenders typically live in solitary confinement and I'd sure as heck choose death over that any day.

I just believe that if you are a menace to society, regardless of species, you should not have the right to be in society. And we should not be obliged to care for you. If you can't follow the rules and continue to be a danger to everyone around you, then you shouldn't be allowed to exist.

However, I am also very "liberal" about death. I think it's SICKENING how many resources we put into keeping a 90 year old woman with terminal cancer alive and pumped with pain meds just so she doesn't claw her own eyes out. I think it is asinine that we are so terrified of death that suicide and assisted suicide are ILLEGAL. It is my body, it is my life, it is MY decision how I end it.

I'll never forget reading a Reader's Digest article where a woman wrote in about assisted suicide and basically said "Every single day of my life is spent in excruciating pain. If a horse broke it's leg, you would put it to sleep or you would be charged with cruelty. How is it we treat our animals better then we treat our people?"

Obviously a horse can break it's leg and survive, but you get the point of what she was trying to say and it's always really stuck close to home for me.

 

Yeah I get the point. And yes I do think they should allow euthanasia for people who are suffering and want it.

 

There has been plenty of murder in the way of 'medical research'. IE: Intentionally giving people Syphilis to see the results without treatment, etc.

It's not a punishment so much as they are expendable and people would be less likely to throw a fit if they found out than if they were testing on your average Joe.


ETA:: ACK! There was another page of posts! Ignore this.

 

Some criminals are genuinely sick, they have to be to commit the crimes they do. Any person who can commit a sexual or violent crime against a baby or small child has to be fundamentally flawed as a human being and therefore needs to be put down. Not out of revenge or hatred but just because there is no place in the world for someone who is so dangerously ill. I do not believe there is quite enough capitol punishment in this regard, if someone is proven and convicted of rape or brutally beating an infant or child they need to be taken out to a back lot and disposed of with a bullet to the head - point blank range - just as you would an animal. And yes, I could and would pull the trigger.

Sorry, talking about capitol punishment sent me off on a tangent. I believe the death sentence has a place in the world.

 

It is not the actual sentence I dislike about the death penalty. It is the possibility of putting a wrongfully charged individual to death. This is the reason why I don't really swing one way or the other. I would have no problem with the death penalty towards a guilty criminal. It is the chance of the wrong person getting the penalty that concerns me no matter how small it is.