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Apologies if this has been hashed out on here before. This is in no way a bashing thread - the Parelli's have certainly marketed some good ideas.

I'm just trying to understand Linda's reasoning for acting the way she does here - I can't see how what she is doing can be beneficial to this horse whatsoever. The horse evidently has no idea what is going on and what he is being asked, and yet she just keeps upping the ante rather than adapting her methods.

She also seems to have no respect for the lack of sight in one eye - at 4:15, when she starts yanking on the lead towards her, then slapping him on the face (which is downright confusing, and a conflicting command) she is asking him to move to his blind side, which is obviously something that is pretty scary to a blind horse.

Anyone got any insight to why she is doing this?

(Linda takes over at about 2 minutes in).

 

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By wiggling the rope she is telling the horse to back.
I can get my horses to do that - but all I have to do is move my wrist because hrough practice and teaching of the correct way to do this it is actually a very helpful technique.

I believe she is also trying to teach the horse respect.

When she yanks on his leadrope hard, she is trying to get his head facing her. The horse should be straight bakcing, not sidewways.

it is a good technique, but the way Linda does it is much too harsh.
I do their groundwork techniques only, and I do them correctly.
 

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"It is a good technique..."

What makes it superior to saying "Back" and maybe tugging lightly back on the lead rope or putting a hand against the horse's chest?

The trainer I hired to work with Mia did a great job except she wanted Mia to back when she shook the lead rope. All it accomplished was an angry, confused horse...but the local trainer then responded by saying, "Well, if she backs on a voice command already...".

Most of the folks I know use the shaking rope cue, but I'll be darned if anyone has ever been able to tell me WHY they like it. I'm not picking a fight. I genuinely have never had anyone who could tell me WHY it is a good cue for the horse to know.
 

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backing with the leadline and a horse, you keep your feet still and make the horse move away from you. It shows that the horse respects you and lsitens to you.
This can help get the horses attention on you and do what you ask.
Also if the horse is crowding you and you are talking to someone, you don't have to move your feet to make the horse stop crowding you, but instead wiggle the leadrope so the horse moves away and you can still talk to the person - just as an example.
 

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Interesting. I don't think I'll adopt the technique - I don't think it has anything to do with respect - but I thank you for the explanation. It is the first one I've ever gotten! :p
 

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If that technique works for your horse, then I don't see a reason not to use it.

But... in this video, the horse clearly doesn't understand what's being asked of him, and Linda doesn't seem to be doing anything to address that part of the situation. I'm really not a fan of the Parellis.

Gator responds to pressure and the word "back" just fine. I don't think I'll go wiggling any ropes anytime soon xD
 

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it is a terrible example of throwing a horse into a Mulligan's Stew of loud, sloppy requests with pressure, no meaningful releases and a very confused and ultimately dulled out horse. That horse will soon have NO idea what any feel on that leadline means, and will likely have about the same amount of feel to the reins or bit.

It's not that 'wiggling' the rope to ask for a back is or is not a good method. it's that, one has to remember to ask small, then get bigger, and look for the smallest try you can reward, and build on THAT. then you build in "feel" to the leadline. Smacking it up against the jaw (and this with a heavy metal chip on it, too) is your "demand", and if you use it over and over, without looking for a correct response, even if it's tiny, to reward and go back to a whisper, you make your horse learn to tolerate incessant shouting. then, you have an angry and dull horse.
 

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Yea, I frogot to mention that too.
When the horse steps back, you should give release. Unless he does something he know he souldn't have done, then you can get big and not stop for a few steps.

I always make sure I don't have hardware if I end up having to get to that stage. If there is hardware and I do have to get to the biggest stage, then I will only do it once or twice, then back down a stage so he knows he should back and listen, but not as to hurt him at all.
 

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On my phone, so I can't quote, but Amberly, I understand what she is trying yo achieve - I myself used these methods as part of my degree in Equine Science, but I think she is utilising them terribly. You say when she yanks the leadrope, she is asking the horse to face her - do why then does she give it a slap on the face, making it turn away again - two totally conflicting instructions, no?
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the reason a person would ask a horse to face them, is to get their attention, both eyes, so that you can now send their feet somewhere. you want their mind on your before you try to move their feet. it does not mean you have to snap a lead line to get their mind on you. it depends on how hard the hrose is focussed outwardly, and what you tried before the snap in order to ask them to focus on you.
as I said, that video shows absolutely NO finesse , and the makings of a very confused horse. please do not use this as an example of how a firm flip of the lead line might be used in a productive manner.
 

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I totally agree with you Tiny - I understand how that works, and like I've said, I've used similar methods myself. But, like you, I think this video is a horrendous example of methods that can be used well, but seem to have been utilised in a very coarse way that seem to have no benefit to the horse in question. A sharp flick of the lead can be used to redirect the attention to you, but she seems to just going round in circles, literally and figuritively.
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IMHO, that horse was confused from the beginning. When the guy asked the horse to back he gave no release or praise when the horse did what he was asking.

I wouldn't let either of those people get within a 10 mile radius of my horse.
 

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^Exactly. The horse didn't know what he was being asked, and so in response the man just asked harder.
 

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I found this somehow. I personally don't think it excuses how the horse was treated at all and if she was given the wrong horse I'd see the house perfectly justified to defend himself. Not saying it would be right but I can see it ending up that if that horse did lash back it would be destroyed (depending on the owner). I can't really fermenter exactly the technique I used to teach Ginny to back up, I think I used a mixture of pressure points but I can now simply point at her and say "back up" and she will do it.
 

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I personally am not a fan of any clinician. Not to say they don't start out with good ideas or methods but more often then not, they are moved into "fast fixes" through either greed or pressure to stay in the spot light or succeed in front of the audience.

I think in the case of Linda, she is trying to cash in on her husbands name. What I saw in the video was an example of why I don't like the "followers" of these clinicians. You can have a guy (Parelli in this case) who does some good things with horses and maybe teaches a few folks his ways. All of a sudden he is in the spotlight trying to make big bucks and people are jumping off cliffs because this now famous person said so. He might have had great ideas to start but people learn bits and pieces and think they are the new masters of the training world because they sat through a clinic, bought a book or watched a DVD. Heck, they even bought the special rope, halter and whip so they KNOW how to train all horses now.

Clearly if this mans wife doesn't get it, there are hundred of others out there that have not quite got it down pat either. Common sense really goes a long way in horse training and sadly, once some people watch the DVD, that seems to go out the window.
 

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I'm just trying to understand Linda's reasoning for acting the way she does here - I can't see how what she is doing can be beneficial to this horse whatsoever. The horse evidently has no idea what is going on and what he is being asked, and yet she just keeps upping the ante rather than adapting her methods.
...And if YOU, a bigger brained human, who presumably has a bit of a clue about horses yourself doesn't get what she's doing, what hope has the horse??:evil::evil:

Yes, this has been 'done' before on this forum. IMO this is one eg. that they have moved far & away from the good *principles* Parelli used to teach. That this is an eg of instruction to a beginner student just makes me ill.
 

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Linda should know that to get a horse to look at you, the handler,while facing it, is to turn your head the opposite way. The horse will bring it's head back. I've done this many times because at liberty there is no line and no halter.
 
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