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First problem is this lump my friend found yesterday, here is the original thread: http://www.horseforum.com/horse-health/lump-mass-chest-urgent-55886/

Then this morning, my friend found this scaly, peely thing on her chest. She's had a fungus, one little spot, that she's been putting Miratek [??] on. Velvet doesn't want you to touch it, it's fairly warm, but it is her chest and she had a blanket on so who knows. Here's the pictures. Any ideas!?



This is the lump 24 hours later, I'm posting the picture here because you can also see the scaly rash thing. I will update about the lump in the other thread.



And THEN, tonight, we found a lump along her spine? It is directly on the spine, and hard hard. Not tissue hard, bone hard. A ridiculously out of place vertebrae? It hurts A LOT and may also be warm. Here are two pictures.





ANY AND ALL IDEAS WOULD BE APPRECIATED! A very knowledgeable friend will be out to look at her tomorrow, and a vet will be called in a few days. We are looking for ideas of what it might be, not techincal veterinary advice. We just want to know what we're looking at.
 

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Other than the lumps, has she been ill? Coughing, nasal discharge, fatigue?
 

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Yikes, I don't know! I feel your pain and frustration with the issue onslaught, I feel the same way with my horse who is also having an awful stroke of luck. Do you think her blanket could be dirty or rubbing her raw on her chest?

Since all of these things are painful, I'd call the vet out immediately. I don't know if people will agree with me but I would have an emergency visit to get them out immediately and tell me what is going on and how to help relieve the pain for my horse.

I hope she's ok :( Good luck and lots of love coming your way!
 

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Lumps on the chest scare me. There are lymph nodes there and *can* a warm lump on the chest is a major symptom of ******* strangles. With the addition of a second lump, I would have the vet out asap. Strangles is running rampant in our neck of the woods.
 

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Not sure about the one on the chest, but the one on the back reminds me of a bot larve that you see on cows and have seen on horses Does it have a soft spot in the center? If its a bot larve, then the larve will break the skin and crawl out.
 

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The first lump on her chest we aren't so concerned about, it's much better today; softer, not as painful, smaller.

She is in great general health. A touch underweight, but her temperature is fine, manure is fine, she's eating normal, her coat is sleek and shiny. She always gets a runny nose when moving around, always in the five years my friend has had her.

I'm also not sure of strangles, because I'm pretty sure Velvet is the only horse having problems. It's a big barn, so a strangles strain would definitely be possible, although I wouldn't say it's rampant in the area. The horse on one side of her is for sure healthy, it's my friend's friend's horse so we're sure about that.

I don't think the chest rash is from her blanket, she wasn't wearing one the night before she had it.

Bot larvae? That's interesting, it is a bit soft in the middle, now that I think about it. She's stalled all the time, would that make a difference? She also doesn't have any bot fly eggs on her legs, but I suppose that doesn't always mean anything...

We talked to everyone at the barn that was around, no one had any idea about anything. Just the generic; new feed, bad saddle fit, new product, etc.

Thanks for your input, I will run everything by my friend as well as the super duper friend comign out tomorrow. Thanks so much!
 

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The bot fly that causes the lump isn't the same as the yellow specks from bot fly eggs on the legs. The bot fly under the skin is called a warble. Its a cutereba bot fly. If it is a warble soon the lump will have a soft spot, that breaks open and makes a breathing hole for the warble. You will be able to see the warble move around. If you get a tweezers you can gently work the warble out. Do not break the warble, it will release toxins. If you are squeamish have a vet do it! Once the warble is out of the hole it will heal up very fast and usually leaves no marks. They are gross little nasties.
 

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probably, but you really need to get a vet out to look at it.
 

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I would have a vet out regardless, especially because my concern would be that the horse does live in a large boarding facility, and there is always that chance that it could be infectious...for all the other horse's safety the horse needs to be seen by a vet.

On a side, the lump in her back looks like a 'blister' my mom's arab had several years ago which was the result of a pressure point on his back caused by the saddle...it was hard as well, and within a few days burst on it's own. I wish I had pictures of it, but that was many years ago, and I'm not sure we still have any of it anymore.
 

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How old is she? While older horses can get strangles, it is usually a young horses disease. Check for other lumps that might not be real visible, like between the hind legs and under the tail. Sorry to stick with the strangles thing, it just can be so devastating and infectious. If she were to have it, like most infections, the earlier you treat it, the better your odds are.
 

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We are 100% sure it isn't strangles. She has no other lumps, no other symptoms, and none of the horses have anything. She is a 17 year old OTTB, by the way. It's been over 36 hours since the first lump on her chest, if it was infectious, I'm pretty sure other horses would have gotten something by now. Her temperature is normal, eyes are clear, the runny nose that always gets is a clear bit of discharge that she's always gotten for five years.
 

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Are there any bee hives or nests in the area of the pastures/paddocks? I've seen bee stings turn into puss filled lumps like that.

Is the lump hard? Soft? Hard in the middle with fatty tissue around it? That would help a lot. Look very closely in the center of the lump... can you see a puncture or scab? Part the hair all over the lump and look for one. If you find one chances are very good that it was a reaction to some sort of bug bite or sting.

As for the scaly skin-- it's gross. It looks like what used to happen to the horses when I was managing farms in Illinois-- from bugs! Gnat like bugs would swarm to certain areas, usually the chest and underbelly and just wreak havoc on the horses. The skin looked all flaky, scaly, and gross like that. The bugs wouldn't be present when in the barn, always out in the field. My horse had problems with skin like that on the chest and in the groove on the bottom of her skull. I had to put thick layers of swat there every day or it wouldn't get better.


Regardless of what it is, I'd call the vet ASAP. Don't wait several days.
 

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Velvet is stalled 24/7. It's not ideal, it's what was available at a decent price at such short notice. So I don't know how likely it is for it be gnats if she's always inside. Would that matter?

The lump on her chest is accurately described in the thread I linked to; about the consistency of a harder stress ball, gel-like that molds to the pressure. The lump on her back is HARD. Like bone hard, which is what leads me to beleive it's just a ridiculously out of place vertebrae. I can see it being a warble, although it would be odd for her to get it.

This is not my horse. I cannot make any decisions on veterinary care unless I want to pay for it. The chest lump is getting better, so we were going to give that a few days to make sure it kept getting better. The scaly chest thing also isn't terribly concerning, we're just trying to figure out what it is. We're going to try several products to see what works, including Vagisil, Betadine, MTG, and a fungus cleaner a lady at the barn let her use. It is the lump on the back that has us concerned, and if it doesn't get better or gets worse in the next few days, she will be seen by a vet. That being said, another gal at the barn is really close to losing her horse to colic so my friend has been with her and her horse. Since Velvet is not in immediate danger of death, or even death in a week, due to her problems, she's been put on a back burner.
 

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Well, I feel like it isn't a vertebrae, if it was she should be in tremendous pain, it would be very swollen and she wouldn't let you near it. I'm sorry about the other horse.

Definitely do the anti fungal thing-- if none of those are clearing it up, try diluted listerine. It kills fungus. Don't use it if there is broken skin or heat though.
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Well, I feel like it isn't a vertebrae, if it was she should be in tremendous pain, it would be very swollen and she wouldn't let you near it. I'm sorry about the other horse.

Definitely do the anti fungal thing-- if none of those are clearing it up, try diluted listerine. It kills fungus. Don't use it if there is broken skin or heat though.
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She is in tremendous pain, she flinched before you could even touch it. She was walking away, and she could still do a belly lift, so maybe not, but I'm just not sure.

The skin on her chest underneath the scaly bits is pink, like it's new skin. But it doesn't appear to be broken anywhere. I will let her know about using listerine, that's pretty easy.

Thanks for your input. =]
 
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