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im going to start showing my tn walker mare seriously this year and i want a shoe that will help her pick her feet up more.i dont want to have her padded but i want a shoe that weighs a little more than the normal shoe.she is a good show horse and has brung home the blue ribbons but the other horses pick their feet up more than she does.i will also be using 7 mm chains on her.ive been using these chains on her for the summer and she hasnt had any problems with them,they improved her gait a little but not much,the chains never rubbed her or caused any adverse reactions.they are brand new and completly humane.what type of shoe should i get my farrier to put on her? im also going to be aving lessons with her by a proffesional hopefully to get her to the larger shows this summer.thnx
 

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I'm not going to add anything extra, just going to answer your question:

I've seen many flat shodders use heavier shoes (also called pads, too, I think). They don't use chains with them because they pretty much take care of all that. I'm not positive how heavy they are.. I'm sure you can google "flat shod walking horse", and you may find something.

Also, I've personally used a heeled shoe (the heels were tiny but were supposed to help with his gait).

So yeah, I'd just google something rather than having to listen to the heck people will give you here about this subject. :p
 

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Also, if you are ever worried about the chains hurting her (which you may find becomes a problem with wear and tear), they have leather leg bands, and they also have chain protective boots. :)
 

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thanks!!! the next time the farrier comes out ill ask him what he can do with my horse.
 

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If she is a blue ribbon winner, then so what if the other horses pick their feet up higher? Obviously she has something else going for her...

Do you realize how uncomfortable that must be? How can you possibly say "HELP her pick her feet up higher" when it is you who wants them higher? I am sure she is just peachy not having to stress her joints to walk around like she has a stick up her ****, so I am sure it is not helping her in any way...

I just find the idea of using a heavy piece of metal nailed to a horses foot to make them more aesthetically pleasing morally and ethically wrong and the chains too, geez that is ridiculous.

If it ain't broke don't go messin' with it... I guess it is hard to see a horses comfort past the ribbons and prize money...

**No I didn't mean this post to be rude, just the kindest way to express my opinion on the matter.
 

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there is no such thing as a perfect horse period.
Just noticed this quote & had to comment... My first thought was 'Of course there is - the vast majority are perfect IMO. It's the humans in charge who are often lacking & don't appreciate it.'

....But then I noticed the lack of punctuation & thought maybe that's not what you meant. & I don't think much of messy mares in season either!:twisted::lol:
 

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**No I didn't mean this post to be rude, just the kindest way to express my opinion on the matter.
Then don't express your opinion of the matter. OP asked a question. Either answer it or don't. She didn't ask for any extra hate-mail. I don't necessarilly agree with all the methods myself, but if she wants to do this with her horse, so be it. Nothing you can say will change the matter. I'm sure OP is quite familiar with all the cons of the TWH world.

Sorry if this sounds snarky (I realize it probably does), but this whole "bash the TWH" crap is aggrivateing.
 

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** Even if the methods ARE "abusive".
 

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but this whole "bash the TWH" crap is aggrivateing.
Well then maybe stop and re-read what was said. No where, has anyone bashed TWH's at all. I among many others, think they are a beautiful breed - but the bashing is directed towards the people who are manipulating unnatural movements in the animal. Same with Paso Fino's.

People are BASHING the humans who have the power and the mental capacity to choose the right path. They are basing those who do not decide what is best for the animal, but instead decide that they want to chase a ribbon and name that come about from using these rediculous gadgets.

It's the humans in charge who are often lacking & don't appreciate it.'
Agree'd.

I guess it is hard to see a horses comfort past the ribbons and prize money...
Agree'd.
 

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You are right.

This "bash the TWH-owner" crap is aggrivateing. It's the trainers I disagree with.
 

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** Well, 50% of them at least.
 

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Either way, she posted it therefore opening herself up to positive and negative comments on a very controversial topic. I merely pointed out that I feel she is helping the horse in no way since she stated that she wanted to "help" the horse move in the show ring.

***This "bash the TWH-owner" crap is aggrivateing. It's the trainers I disagree with.***As an owner she has final say in how her horse is treated, not the trainer, don't blame them, they just want to get their paychecks and will do what they have to to get it.

And I did answer her question. I said if the horse is winning blue ribbons, she doesn't need heavier shoes to make her movement more exaggerated. I answered her question.

And sunny, the whole "tell people they are aggravating for having an opinion" thing is just a bit annoying too.
You had no reason to respond to my post if you didn't like it, but you gave your opinion anyway(just like I did), I rest my case. Do you want to be the pot or the kettle?

Not meant to be snarky(ok maybe a little), just matter of fact.
 

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As an owner she has final say in how her horse is treated, not the trainer, don't blame them, they just want to get their paychecks and will do what they have to to get it.
It seems you've contradicted yourself a bit. First you say that she should never use big shoes. Then you say that it's up to her. Which is exactly what OP wants to do.

So don't go and jump all over her case for it. You can win some bucks in the TWH business!
 

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?? I don't see the contradiction business... where exactly are you talking about?

*** You are right.This "bash the TWH-owner" crap is aggrivateing. It's the trainers I disagree with***
You said not to blame the owners,blame the trainers, that is ridiculous and the reason I posted what I did.
I meant that it is the owners responsibility to make sure their horse is treated fairly, that most trainers(especially in the TWH world) are out there to just get the money and give the owners the product, a winning horse, regardless what they have to do to get it. That it is up to the owner to make sure the trainer uses humane practices to achieve those results if they truly care for the animal that is, I have no doubt that ribbons and prize money mean more to some people than the welfare of their horses. ( And I am not saying that this is the case with the op at all, I do not know her after all).

But since she is the one saying she wants to do it to the horse then there is no trainer to fault anyway, just the owner who wants the prize and ribbons.


***You can win some bucks in the TWH business!***
Yup you can, and you can cause your horse to cripple and have to live the rest of its life in severe pain just so you can win those bucks.

An why do you care so much what I say anyway that you had to repost to me twice??
 

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*is confused why you C&ped what I said twice and made it sound like I was bashing TWH trainers*

I wasn't blaming the trainers. Just said I didn't agree with all they do. That goes for other sports too.

Yup you can, and you can cause your horse to cripple and have to live the rest of its life in severe pain just so you can win those bucks.
There are many crippleing horse sports. If I could change that, I would! However, a heavier shoe is not going to kill her horse. She specifically said she was NOT going to sore or pad up her horse.

Oh, and another thing. When you say that horses are abused by owners who want a ribbon more badly, you DO know now, that that goes for.. many other horse sports?
 

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1.a.*is confused why you C&ped what I said twice and made it sound like I was bashing TWH trainers*

b.I wasn't blaming the trainers. Just said I didn't agree with all they do. That goes for other sports too.

2.There are many crippleing horse sports. If I could change that, I would! However, a heavier shoe is not going to kill her horse. She specifically said she was NOT going to sore or pad up her horse.

3.Oh, and another thing. When you say that horses are abused by owners who want a ribbon more badly, you DO know now, that that goes for.. many other horse sports?

1.a.Could say the same to you. I never intended anything to make you look a certain way, that might just be you projecting... b. So it is ok for you to have an opinion but not me???

2. Really?, never knew that.:roll: Never did I say anything about any other sport or that TWH showing is the worst. So you are saying that there are not enough harmful physical effects form the heavy shoes that make the horses walk funny for me to care or have an opinion about it as opposed to padding and soring??

Umm no matter if it is less extreme or not, weighting an animals foot to make them lift their feet higher, or throwing off the balance of the hooves by "heeling" them is wrong and detrimental to the health of the hooves and skeletal system of the animal. And if I have a chance to speak out about this wrongdoing, especially by a member of our horseforum community, then you are darn tootin, I will.

3. Yup I sure do, but we aren't talking about them, we are talking about the OP.

****I have had enough, this bickering is childish and completely diverted from the original post. I answered the OPs question with the solution I see is best for the animal.
I refuse to argue with you anymore Sunny06.
 

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Then don't express your opinion of the matter. OP asked a question. Either answer it or don't. She didn't ask for any extra hate-mail. I don't necessarilly agree with all the methods myself, but if she wants to do this with her horse, so be it. Nothing you can say will change the matter. I'm sure OP is quite familiar with all the cons of the TWH world.

Sorry if this sounds snarky (I realize it probably does), but this whole "bash the TWH" crap is aggrivateing.
FWIW, I for one wasn't trying to 'bash', let alone any TWHs or owners generally. But doing things to them such as using heavy shoes(yes, I know, rather mild compared to some that goes on) is likely to have adverse effects on their soundness and comfort. Therefore, I caution against it, at least until you know what you're doing to their feet, and how to minimise the possibility & extent of damage.

There are many other practices which have been banned or are petitioned against on humane grounds, of which I would hope that the vast majority of sensible people agree with, so I disagree with your 'so be it' attitude, and that nothing we say will change matters. Because I for one don't know(do you know or are you guessing?) if the OP is indeed familiar with the 'cons'. I like to believe that most people who want to do this sort of thing to their horses DO care, but don't appreciate the problems it can cause, rather than being consciously uncaring & egotistical about it.
 
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