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Before you post a bunch of 'happy snaps' and ask for a multitude of people from around the world coming from different styles of riding and training backgrounds and then tell them to 'please be nice'... please think about whether your true motive in asking for a critique is the learn new techniques and get different opinions which you can take away and learn from to improve yourself and your horse's way of going, or whether you simply want to be told the sun shines out your backside and you are fantastic in every way shape and form so don't change anything that you're doing.

There have been so many posts in this section with people asking for critiques and opinions on their riding or their horses conformation, and when they get an response that is not what they want to hear, they fly off the handle bars accusing every man and his dog of being 'mean'.

If you want to post a bunch of photo's and ask people what they think, well prepare to have people be brutally hounest and tell you exactly what they see. Don't post if you expect people to tell you that you are simply fantastic and there is nothing worth changing.


*jumps of soap box* ok I'm done now.
 

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AGREED. Not every horse can be as perfect as mine(hehehehe) so don't go making a big deal if yours gets less than shining reviews, take it as an opportunity to learn and see through an unbiased set of eyes...
 

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Agreed :). What's the point of a critique if all you get is "omg you have a GORGEOUS horse! you have the best position i've ever seeeennn!" (yeah, that's exaggerated haha). But seriously, you aren't learning if you only get compliments and what people think you want to hear. That being said, some people may need to critique a bit less harshly. There's a difference between critiqueing someone and downright rudeness. No one's going to want to listen to someone who only points out their flaws, even though they shouldn't be taking it that personally. i'm sure i've come across as a little bit defensive when people critique me, but i'm really not offended at all :p. it's nice to get everyone's opinions on what i need to improve.
So thank you for reminding people of this! it's pointless to post a critique and only expect compliments. Because it isn't going to happen.
Whew! i'm done now :D.
 

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True DAT.
 

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Yep of course there are a few who need to tone it down a little. But they are not usually having a personal go either. Just putting it bluntly and it gets taken in the wrong context. And once people have their back up over something then they continue to be under the impression that every comment that is not 'you are perfect' is a personal attack.

Nothing on this forum is a personal attack unless you know each other personally. We come from all corners of the globe, will never meet so don't take things so personally!! Does it matter if someone in South Africa thinks someone in Iceland has a terrible position?????

Take each and every critique and USE it. 99% of the people who respond to a critique are doing so to help you. They've put in the time and effort to type out a long response, and to have the OP turn around and have a shot at them saying they don't know what they're talking about is a huge kick in the guts when you've put effort in to help that person.

I know when I have posted a reply to some critique threads I've been shot down in flames by the OP, often I've spent over 30 mins typing out a reply to a critique, and will give a detailed explanation on the possible causes of the problem, and give what I can as a solution. Unfortunately, this picking things apart bit by bit appears to many posters as though I am having a go and pulling them apart.
This is entirely not the case. I comment on every detail of the picture that is put in front of me, because the horse works as a whole and you need to work on every problem to achieve the desired result of a supple, straight and engaged horse.
 

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Yep of course there are a few who need to tone it down a little. But they are not usually having a personal go either. Just putting it bluntly and it gets taken in the wrong context. And once people have their back up over something then they continue to be under the impression that every comment that is not 'you are perfect' is a personal attack.

Nothing on this forum is a personal attack unless you know each other personally. We come from all corners of the globe, will never meet so don't take things so personally!! Does it matter if someone in South Africa thinks someone in Iceland has a terrible position?????

Take each and every critique and USE it. 99% of the people who respond to a critique are doing so to help you. They've put in the time and effort to type out a long response, and to have the OP turn around and have a shot at them saying they don't know what they're talking about is a huge kick in the guts when you've put effort in to help that person.

I know when I have posted a reply to some critique threads I've been shot down in flames by the OP, often I've spent over 30 mins typing out a reply to a critique, and will give a detailed explanation on the possible causes of the problem, and give what I can as a solution. Unfortunately, this picking things apart bit by bit appears to many posters as though I am having a go and pulling them apart.
This is entirely not the case. I comment on every detail of the picture that is put in front of me, because the horse works as a whole and you need to work on every problem to achieve the desired result of a supple, straight and engaged horse.
This is the reason I do not post in this forum anymore!!! I have spent literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on my education as a rider and to be told that I don't know what I am talking about is quite offensive. More offensive than me telling someone to get a coach and take a few lunge lessons!
 

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This is the reason I do not post in this forum anymore!!! I have spent literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on my education as a rider and to be told that I don't know what I am talking about is quite offensive. More offensive than me telling someone to get a coach and take a few lunge lessons!
haha too right, when I see some pony club kid with their horses head strapped to it's chest and hind legs a mile out, tell YOU or Spyder or even Mercedes that you have no idea what you're on about, I must admit I do shake my head and smile inwardly.
How do you learn if you cannot take advice and criticism from those who are wiser and more experienced than yourself?
I soak up all the information I can like a sponge, if someone comes out with a response to a question that I hadn't thought of, I'll always store it in my memory bank because you never know, one day I may just need to use that piece of advice.
 

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haha too right, when i see some pony club kid with their horses head strapped to it's chest and hind legs a mile out, tell you or spyder or even mercedes that you have no idea what you're on about, i must admit i do shake my head and smile inwardly.
How do you learn if you cannot take advice and criticism from those who are wiser and more experienced than yourself?
I soak up all the information i can like a sponge, if someone comes out with a response to a question that i hadn't thought of, i'll always store it in my memory bank because you never know, one day i may just need to use that piece of advice.
agreed 150%
 

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This is the reason I do not post in this forum anymore!!!
This is why I quit posting in the critique section as well. I just don't bother anymore.

I'd be honored to get help from you Anabel or Spyder anyday :)
 

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If I need a hand with something, I'd go straight to my coach, or possibly pick the brains of anebel or spyder via PM if need be. Although at the moment in my horseless state of despair there's not a hell of a lot to ask about other than how to get that **** little horror head mare to MOVE! :p
 

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Thank you so much for starting this thread; took the words right out of my mouth.

I only post in certain critique threads: 1.) Where there's no "Please be nice!" qualifiers 2.) Where the photos are of sufficient quality to give a meaningful critique 3.) The poster seems to be willing to accept constructive criticism.

If the photos are so glaringly horrible with obvious problems demonstrated I don't post either, I assume other posters on the board have that covered.

I usually try to be tactful and diplomatic; find something positive to comment on as well, but truthfully analyze what's presented.

I spend a lot of time analyzing the photos and formulating a response; having my observations discounted or blown off will effectively keep me from responding to that person again.

PS - and this is a personal pet peeve - if the original post's spelling, typing, internet jargon or lack of understanding of basic horsemanship terminology make it diffiuclt for me to understand the post, I just don't bother.
 

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Yep of course there are a few who need to tone it down a little. But they are not usually having a personal go either. Just putting it bluntly and it gets taken in the wrong context. And once people have their back up over something then they continue to be under the impression that every comment that is not 'you are perfect' is a personal attack.

Nothing on this forum is a personal attack unless you know each other personally. We come from all corners of the globe, will never meet so don't take things so personally!! Does it matter if someone in South Africa thinks someone in Iceland has a terrible position?????

Take each and every critique and USE it. 99% of the people who respond to a critique are doing so to help you. They've put in the time and effort to type out a long response, and to have the OP turn around and have a shot at them saying they don't know what they're talking about is a huge kick in the guts when you've put effort in to help that person.

I know when I have posted a reply to some critique threads I've been shot down in flames by the OP, often I've spent over 30 mins typing out a reply to a critique, and will give a detailed explanation on the possible causes of the problem, and give what I can as a solution. Unfortunately, this picking things apart bit by bit appears to many posters as though I am having a go and pulling them apart.
Very true.
 

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Worthy of a Sticky. Well said.
 

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This is the reason I do not post in this forum anymore!!! I have spent literally hundreds of thousands of dollars on my education as a rider and to be told that I don't know what I am talking about is quite offensive. More offensive than me telling someone to get a coach and take a few lunge lessons!
Yes, i agree with the OP, people are too sensitive to the HELP they are given.
I am very careful if I post anything in that forum. Once I posted my 'bay, overweight, angloarab' in the section, wanting to know how his weight loss was going. Instead I got abuse about his colour, people were saying he wasnt 'bay' (he is btw).
I think people wanting a critique should prepare that people are not going to tell you what you want to hear and people are going to disagree with eachother. AND critiquers should keep specific to the question asked.
 

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Thank you for posting this! I rarely even look in the critique section anymore. Too much "ur horse is beauutiful" crap or "ur the best rider ever". When I was first on here I would check out the critque section to improve my eye for conformation and learn more about riding in general. Now I don't really bother.
 

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haha too right, when I see some pony club kid with their horses head strapped to it's chest and hind legs a mile out, tell YOU or Spyder or even Mercedes that you have no idea what you're on about, I must admit I do shake my head and smile inwardly.
Where, WHERE is the line to tell Anabel, Spyder and Mercedes to say that they have no idea what I'm on about?! LOL! :lol:

Thanks for posting it. I felt for long time to write something like that myself, and only the fear that it may be banned or some people will go after it pretty rudely stopped me from doing that. Whenever I see the post "please, be nice" I HARDLY can resist to say something not so nice, or just say something like "it's a CRITIQUE section, not Pictures!". I used to come to critique section, but rarely do it now just because of such "be nice" posts and because lots of people got offended by comments and/or suggestions. So some threads are nothing but a fight between the OP and supporters and people critiquing.
 

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I was just reading a critique a couple days ago... and the OP was so offended by some of the conformation flaws. I agree... that if you ask for opinions... be prepared for the good, bad and the ugly. Learn from those with more knowledge than yourself.
 
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