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I was just thinking about this in relation to my own Pony, who was a stud pony until he was gelded at age five, at which point he was started. I was just wondering, would you want the services of a stud horse / pony that had not been ridden? If you were going to pay for someone to impregnate your mare, wouldn't you want to know how they moved and acted under saddle? Or does it not really matter? I'm just curious.
 
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I hope this doesn't come across as an offensive question, but, um, what is the purpose of a halter horse? Just to look good?
 

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Many, even most breeds are traditionally shown in hand for a variety of reasons, either because they are brood stock or too young to be ridden, or to be evaluated for conformation as part of a performance class. I think this idea became a thing unto itself at some point, and it got so competitive in some breeds (mainly AQHA, Arabian, Paint) that, just like in dogs, those breeds splintered into a using type and a conformation or halter type. However, every horse, even those won win halter classes, should be judged on their own merits, as some big winners go on to be good performance horses, although with modern specialization it would be hard for one to beat the purpose-bred ones in competition.

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A lot of people think halter lines can't be ridden and won't even bother starting them. Good conformation is good conformation. A good mind is a good mind. I wouldn't have a horse that couldn't be ridden, regardless if I ever showed him under saddle or not. I ride all of mine and I show them all halter as youngsters. It's good for their development to get exposed to new things and situations from a young age. But once they're going under saddle, I forget about halter, don't really enjoy showing in hand at all.

So, regardless, whether the stallion SHOWS under saddle, I want to know he can be ridden, in arena and out on trail both or he's no good for me.
 

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It just occurred to me- that your horse was started late and gelded late could be a result of a fairly good-sensical logic of- small ponies are sometimes waited on so that they are big enough. My 14hh creature was started at around 5/6. (quite late for the west) as for being gelded late- I know a few people who have had shorter horses that were gelded late because the lines were good and the horse was well built with good potential, and it wasn't cut until the disappointed breeders realized it wasn't growing an inch over 14.3. which at about five years old is I suppose when you hang up your hopes of a tall and studly creature.
 

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In my neck of the woods, ponies are pretty rare, and sought after. Minis are a dime a dozen, but if you have something Welsh sized, they are very much in demand. Kid friendly, broke ponies that can jump are top dollar. Unbroke stud ponies, not so much, unless he is a proven breeder and you are the breeder with mares. Lostastirrup, German Riding Ponies are beyond expensive. However the ones that we're here for a short period of time before they move to the states, where imported from Germany, any resulting foals were out of the imported stock. I stay touch with the owners of the breeding program and ranch through social media. I see they just came back from Germany buying much more imported stock as well as full sized warmbloods. They take their horses all over Europe to compete in driving competitions and the daughter, a former Reiner, is now competing in stadium jumping. No she didn't rein with German riding ponies, she had the best of the best in reining horses. I really miss these people being local, even though they are very wealthy they were not pretentious at all and would compete in the local shows. They opened up their indoor riding arena to the public for vet clinics and riding all the time. 2 years ago when we had the wildfire evacuations, because their ranch is lakefront, they had everybody evacuated to their place even though they were under evacuation, they and a team of evacuees, took shifts 24 hours a day hosing the perimeter of the ranch. What they did for all those horses and evacuees, I think they should have got an honour of some sort. They had about 30 evacuated horses and all the owners and families. I really miss them living here.
 

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Nick is the only GRP I've come across (and he was quite expensive even as a PIA). The horses that had come to my mind were unfortunately short AQHA's when the breeders were looking for something with more leg and unfortunately for old Dobbin's muffins- he wasn't it.
 

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I hope this doesn't come across as an offensive question, but, um, what is the purpose of a halter horse? Just to look good?
Hehe! I think you got it in one. And as beauty is in the eye of the beer holder....
 

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A lot depends on what you're breeding for - if you want to produce a jumping horse then ideally you want to breed from proven stock - though so many young horses in Europe are loose jumped before they're even sat on, the competing thing isn't such a big deal. If you want a horse for showing then correct conformation and movement combined with a good temperament will get you a good prospect provided the mare is equally correct.
In the UK the old Hunter Improvement Society (now Sport Horse Breeding Society) which approved stallions suitable for breeding hunters, showing and competition, had lots of racing bred stallions on its lists. The emphasis was all on conformation. It worked very well.
So much success is dependent on individual attitude and good training, plenty of top sires have failed to produce successful offspring.
 

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A lot depends on what you're breeding for - if you want to produce a jumping horse then ideally you want to breed from proven stock - though so many young horses in Europe are loose jumped before they're even sat on, the competing thing isn't such a big deal. If you want a horse for showing then correct conformation and movement combined with a good temperament will get you a good prospect provided the mare is equally correct.
In the UK the old Hunter Improvement Society (now Sport Horse Breeding Society) which approved stallions suitable for breeding hunters, showing and competition, had lots of racing bred stallions on its lists. The emphasis was all on conformation. It worked very well.
So much success is dependent on individual attitude and good training, plenty of top sires have failed to produce successful offspring.
Interesting. Pony has great conformation and movement, and a really nice temperament, so maybe that's what people saw in him. Having said that, he was gelded at age five so maybe that wasn't quite enough.
 
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