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On this trainer.
As many of you know, I just got my mare Demi. She was beat by her old farrier so we are slowly getting her used to being a normal, calm horse around farriers.
But the other problem is that she is 7 and she has never even had a saddle blanket on her.
So I have been "Trainer shopping".
I had a few people show me this man.
His name is Jim, he is a natural horsemanship horse trainer.
Triple Spring Acres - Triple "H" Horse Training
My question is, does he look like a good trainer or am I just going into this with a closed mind?
Here are some e-mails I have gotten from him.
Yes I start horses. I prefer to start as finishing isn't as much fun!
Let me know if I can help you out.
I also do not mandate that you pay for a month. Usually ask that you pay for 2 weeks and come work with your horse see if your comfortable with where he/she is at with training. If you are, take her home. If not, we will schedule more.
All training paid upfront for at least 2 weeks and right now I have a special.
Pay for 3 weeks and get 4th free.


I will be able to ride her anywhere within a week. The second part would be ...will you be able to...well that will depend on your confidence and skill as a rider.

I use all natural horsemanship. No cowboying, no war bridles, mostly all pressure & release.

What do you think?
I like him, but I might just be not going into it with an open mind, I seem to do that a lot...
 

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Go out and give him a visit. Maybe schedule the first one so you can get a tour and hear his script and whatnot, and then pop in on him unexpectedly because you have a "few more questions". Get a feel for him and his operation and then decide if its something that you want to do.

I would be concerned about the timelines he presented to you though. A calm quiet broken horse can't be achieved in two weeks, but thats just IMO
 

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^^That is what I was thinking, but all of his refrences seem really good.
 

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No, just on the bottom of the page I posted.
 

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I would say email him and ask for some phone numbers or email addresses. Then contact those people and ask if you can come out and see the horse(s) he trained, or see them in action through video. Also ask how long their horses were there, if they've gone through any additional professional training. Because those "testimonials" are meant to look good. For all you know they could be 100% bullcrap.
 

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^Yeah, I guess that is true!
I will email him again and ask for some of his refrences.
 

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The website sounds good and the testimonials sound good and the pictures make him look good.

And maybe he's the real deal. Maybe he's so good that he can make the 2 week claims. You never know...

That said, I'd want to be there at least the first week, every day to see how he gets from ground to saddle in that first week like he says he can do with ease.

Maybe he's the quiet calm type that can get the job done and that would be great. There are a lot of trainers who have a natural knack who can get further faster with horses than others. Anything is possible.

I think I'd follow the advice you've been given here,...check up personally through phone or better yet, in person with the past and present horses he'd trained or has in training.

If you like what you see and hear and want to go for the 2 week deal, then be there every day at least for the first week to watch him in action with your horse. What does he do that first week? Does he lay the horse down? If so, how? (some "nh" trainers lay the horse down first and foremost)

If he's going to do anything good, bad or ugly, it'll more than likely be in that first week.
 

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His tack looks like cheap junk and there are several pictures that show him riding a colt in a snaffle bit with a tie-down on. That screams bad trainer to me. I also have a pet peeve about people standing on horses and riding backwards and not giving the horse the respect it deserves. I would not take a horse to him.
 

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I would check out more trainers before deciding on this one. I don't like some of what I see in the photos on the website posted. I would have huge safety concerns sending my horse to him.

I would suggest looking into this trainer: Jennifer Collman - Trainer, Instructor, Clinician
I don't know her or her work personally, but I have heard very good things about her.
 

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I think I'd follow the advice you've been given here,...check up personally through phone or better yet, in person with the past and present horses he'd trained or has in training.
I agree. A personal phone call would be better than an e-mail or a text.

Ask if you can ride something he has trained to see if you like the way it feels. I always offer that.

No one can promise anything with a horse in a set amount of time. Every horse is an individual and deserves to be treated as such.
 

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I would not use him. I would keep looking. For several reason. some Kevin have already mentioned. Some of the things in his email you posted would also make me lerry. Talk to people who have used him. Ask him for people who may not be very happy too. NO TRAINER has 100% positive references. I like to talk to people how where not quite as happy and find out WHY. Even my trainer has people who do not like him. EVERY trainer dose.

If you can ride some of the horses he has trained. WATCH him work horses. I find this is very very informative. I learn more about a trainer watching them ride for 30-60 min then I do talking to a 100 of his clients. Watch him ride several different times on different horses too. Again a lot to be gained in that.
 

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I agree with other folks. I don't like some pics posted. I don't believe much in "2 weeks" thing. Also neither really good trainer (at least in my area) has "one week free" special. Personally I'd keep looking but it's just my opinion.
 

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I would keep searching, I was not impressed by anything I saw on the website. There is a lot that you can teach with pressure and release, but it doesn't mean that it is good for the horse. Seeing some of the things he did, I wouldn't let him near any of my horses.
 

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Ok. Here is another lady that I am going to call tonight.
She trains with Clinton anderson techniques (LOVE Clinton Anderson...)
She seems really good.
This last e-mail I got from her sounds really nice.
(I am kind of nervous that she only trained 8 horses though...)
Hi again, I know how you feel! When I started about 8 years ago I was really anxious about using what I learned. My husband and I used Clinton’s techniques along with some others to break our horse, Koko. She will be 8 this year and has been just great for us. I have her boarded at Kingstown Valley Ranch over behind Cedar Creek Country Club. The owners, well one of the owners-Ferd is a certified Clinton Anderson trainer and a retired La Crosse Mounted Police Sargeant. He has clinics throughout the spring and summer which are great and very helpful. You would be more than welcome to come and see Koko to see how I did. She was my 8th horse starting under saddle. There are some questions I have regarding your horse, her age and if there are any specific problems you have with her besides not being ridden yet? If this pans out I would really like to see her. I would expect you to be involved, as much as you could, which would be great for boosting your confidence!
 

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To NR: Just curious but what didn't you like?
(not arguing here, just talking)

The tie down wasn't my favorite (but then again, lots of so called top of the line trainers use them and twisted bits, etc. And these are people with waiting lists and assistant trainers because they have so much biz). Not an excuse to use any of that stuff, but really...can you judge everything about someone based on a few pictures? How old are the pictures? People can change to be better than what they used to be (the good trainers do anyway).....is this guy one of those? Maybe.

The standing on the horse and riding backwards, all that's the typical "nh" stuff to "show off" how "broke" a horse is. Heck, just watch Road to the Horse, you have Clinton Anderson standing on a horse cracking a whip and revving a chainsaw. Does that make him one to stay away from? Some people like this kind of "showbiz" stuff. It gets attention. Some people don't. I don't do the stuff that he does, but some people like it and who knows, maybe he's a decent trainer.

Instead of just flat out saying no, why not follow up and check things out further? The internet isn't a tell all of someone's abilities. Sometimes the worst websites have good trainers or the best websites have lousy trainers.

The final word can only come from checking things out in person.

If he does turn out to be a good trainer, then I'd suggest talking to him about his website and giving him a few tips on what to put to better show off his skills.
 

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Ok. Here is another lady that I am going to call tonight.
She trains with Clinton anderson techniques (LOVE Clinton Anderson...)
She seems really good.
This last e-mail I got from her sounds really nice.
(I am kind of nervous that she only trained 8 horses though...)
Hi again, I know how you feel! When I started about 8 years ago I was really anxious about using what I learned. My husband and I used Clinton’s techniques along with some others to break our horse, Koko. She will be 8 this year and has been just great for us. I have her boarded at Kingstown Valley Ranch over behind Cedar Creek Country Club. The owners, well one of the owners-Ferd is a certified Clinton Anderson trainer and a retired La Crosse Mounted Police Sargeant. He has clinics throughout the spring and summer which are great and very helpful. You would be more than welcome to come and see Koko to see how I did. She was my 8th horse starting under saddle. There are some questions I have regarding your horse, her age and if there are any specific problems you have with her besides not being ridden yet? If this pans out I would really like to see her. I would expect you to be involved, as much as you could, which would be great for boosting your confidence!
Sounds good. Worth checking out. Is there any way you can check out another horse she's worked with besides Koko?

The only 8 horses under her belt thing,...yeah, that can make you pause....but don't let it put you off. The quality might be what you're looking for and what may match what you want.

Also, since she's just getting started, your horse may get more attention and more detail,....talking about the enthusiasm someone has who's just getting going.
 

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I wouldn't take having only eight horses trained as an indication of skill. If anything, that signals to me she's willing to put in the one-on-one time and the actual man hours to turn out a decent horse. She also openly invites you to participate as much as possible, which is good.

Like EasyStep, I too think those pictures are all about the theatrics. I knew a girl who would occasionally dismount backwards or to the right....not that it was regular practice, she just liked to know that her horse was capable and sane enough to let her do that.
 

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I am going to call that lady trainer right now!
 

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ESH, the question wasn't directed to me, but I would like to answer. First of all, there is a lot that you can tell from a picture. I always tell people I am far more impressed by someone who can walk beautifully than someone who can do sloppy canter work and "stay on". Going beyond obedience, there wasn't anything "quality" that I saw in any of those horses. Good work takes time, and to say two weeks for a 7 yr old horse that you have never seen and has never had a saddle on is not fair to the horse. I don't only want people to participate in training, I want the horse to as well.

He shows no interest in the physical well being of the horse, no interest in saddle fit or proper balance and movement. Those are all things that are apparent in those photos. We tend to think of "abuse" as not feeding, or striking, or losing patience, we never think about what we might be compromising beneath the skin just through lack of knowledge on how things work. I have seen far more abuse and permanent damage done by people who love their horses to death and can't ride than people who hit their horses. I personally want more from my horses than obedience, I want them to look good and FEEL good doing it. I don't use my "buy one get one free" deals on the horses well being.

As far as the second trainer mentioned, there is no way to tell from that bit of information. It doesn't sound like much from that e-mail, but you never know without seeing. I personally speak much more boldly on forums than if you were to call me on the phone, however, whenever I get a call, I do offer to do a demo or a consultation on the horse they are asking about. I won't talk about myself when spoken to directly, but have no problem letting people figure it out for themselves by watching, so I try not to judge other people by just what they say, knowing how shy I myself can be.
 
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