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sorrel to me is the same shade of 'red' all over, his mane is slightly lighter especially in the 1st pic
does he vary in colour seasonally?
 

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sorrel.
 

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i dont know is he is flaxen his mane isnt blone enough, i will go for sorrel (but ive never thought that that is a real colour)
 

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In NZ he would just be a flaxen chestnut. We aren't big on labelling colours and going into their genetics. They are bay, grey, chestnut or black LOL. Even pintos only fit into 1 of 3 categories
 

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Sorrel/chestnut are the same thing. He's a chestnut with flaxen. In the first pic I'd call him a sooty chestnut or otherwise named a liver chestnut. But in the following pics he doesn't look that dark..
 

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I'd say liver chestnut, especially from the first picture. Typically they are a browner chestnut with some lighter areas, sometimes dapples and a flaxen mane and tail. He's a very pretty boy. Lucky you to have all those equines!
 

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I'd say liver chestnut, especially from the first picture. Typically they are a browner chestnut with some lighter areas, sometimes dapples and a flaxen mane and tail. He's a very pretty boy. Lucky you to have all those equines!
liver chesnuts are usuallly much darker, all but the first picture are very light, more orange then dark brown/orange
 

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It's confusing....idk how to classify him. I've never seen a horse with his mane & coat color combo. Sometimes he looks purple-tinted (like in the videos below), and in winter he usually looks really orange-ish.

Here's some recent videos:

AAA my pets :: Arthur rolling after a ride video by equiniphile - Photobucket
AAA my pets :: Arthur rolling after a ride video by equiniphile - Photobucket
AAA my pets :: MOV01484.flv video by equiniphile - Photobucket

Here's some more pix from like 5 years ago:



 

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Wait a minute.....I found this pic online of a sorrel chestnut. Compare it to the one pic of Arthur:

Online pic of chesnut:


Arthur:



They look really similar, especially in the mane. I found this online also:
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Also found in most breeds, chestnut horses have no black hairs, their coat is red with red points.
There are three different chestnut shades:
  • Liver / black chestnut
  • Chestnut / sorrel
  • Blonde / Sandy Chestnut
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So which chesnut is he? A liver chestnut, a sorrel chesnut, or a sandy chestnut? I think a sorrel chesnut. or just a sorrel for short. Agreed?
 

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I found this online:







Basic Chestnut

There are two basic coat colors in the equine animal, either black base or chestnut base.
All horse colors are built on a black or a chestnut base and different colors are achieved by dilution genes and color modifiers to provide the wide variety of colors and patterns in existence today.
A Few Chestnut Facts

  • Chestnut horses have no black hairs, they have a red coat and red points
  • Chestnut and sorrel are interchangable terms and the same genetically
  • Colors range from dark reddish brown, to deep red to light red
  • Mane and tail can achieve a sunstreaked look making it lighter than the body hairs
  • Mane and tail can be almost black all the way to blonde and flaxen
Different Chestnut Shades

Liver or Black Chestnut

Image from French Stallions
  • Darkest red color
  • Can be very dark, however hair will retain a red color
  • Common in the morgan breed
  • Can be confused with silver dapple
Chestnut / Red Chestnut / Sorrel

Image from Travelers Farm
  • Lighter red hairs
  • Mane and tail can be very light in color
  • Most common shade of chestnut
Light Blonde / Sandy Chestnut

Image from Imoan Arabians
  • Very pale red
  • Mane and tail can be very light in color
Chestnut Dilutions

A chestnut base can produce the following colors when diluted
Red Dun

Chestnut base with a dun dilution gene.
Image from Engage Farms
Palomino

Chestnut base with a cream dilution gene.
Image from Stallions at Stud
Creamello

Chestnut base with a double dose of the cream dilution gene.
Image from Color Thyme Stud
Red Champagne

Chestnut base with a champagne dilution gene.
Image from Evening Shade Farm
Chestnut Modifications

A chestnut base can produce the following colors when modified.
Mealy / Pangare

Chestnut base with a mealy / pangare gene.
Image from White Horse Productions
Sooty / Smutty

Chestnut base with a sooty / smutty gene.
Image from jwakanmorgans
Flaxen

Chestnut base with a flaxen gene.
Image from Sunset Farms
White Patterns

Chestnut horses can display the following white patterns.
Appaloosa

Chestnut base with an appaloosa white pattern gene
Image from evelynbelgium
Skewbald Pinto / Paint

Chestnut base with a pinto / paint white pattern gene
Image from Wagon Wheel Farm
Strawberry Roan

Chestnut base with a roan white pattern.
 

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Chestnut
 

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I think Artie's a sorrel now that I've read up on it. People say sorrel and chestnut are interchangeable terms, but a sorrel is apparently a kind of chestnut. How can that be?
Sorrel and Chestnut are the same. Most people will say Sorrel when they're more copper colored. I think it's just a dialect thing started years ago, is all.

It's like saying ocean and sea - we know they're the same thing
 

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Yes, sorrel and chestnut are the same. English riders use chestnut and RARELY use the term sorrel. Western people tend to use the sorrel term.
 
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