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dressage horses are the most well-trained for dressage,
eventing horses are the most well-trained for eventing,
reining horses are the most well-trained for reining,
trail horses are the most well-trained for trails,
etc.
You cannot accurately state that one discipline has more obedient or more well-trained horses than the other.
 

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dressage horses are the most well-trained for dressage,
eventing horses are the most well-trained for eventing,
reining horses are the most well-trained for reining,
trail horses are the most well-trained for trails,
etc.
You cannot accurately state that one discipline has more obedient or more well-trained horses than the other.
Well, I know that. But there are still some disciplines that have more overall more obedient horses that others. For example, nobody's going to reply and say barrel racing or TB racing. Those disciplines still have horses that are amazing at what they do, but they aren't generally as obedient as, say, a reiner or a WP horse. I'm not looking for scientific facts and statistics... just opinions based on experiences.

I didn't mean which disciplines have horses that are better at their job. I mean which ones have horses that will do ANYTHING you say at any given time? Ever ridden a polo pony? That's what I mean.

Sorry for not being clear enough.
 

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I don't think you ca exactly say one horse is more well trained for one discipline than the other, but as for the more well behaved part, I'd say Western.

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A lot of the western sports (Such as reining and pleasure) are also judged on how calm and well mannered your horse is. An irritated horse won't score well. As with english events, I can't really think of one besides Dressage where the horse would get marked down for behaving badly. I mean, jumping horses buck all the time and get excited and it doesn't matter. But then again, english pleasure horses should be well behaved too. I don't think there really is a more "Well behaved" discipline, I just think english horses are naturally more "Hot" per se because the breeds can be hotter, while Western has the more cold blooded breeds. But once again you can look at barrel horses that are like psycho nearly 85% of the time. It just depend on what competition in what discipline you want I suppose.
 

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I don't think you ca exactly say one horse is more well trained for one discipline than the other, but as for the more well behaved part, I'd say Western.
That's exactly what I meant. I meant "well-trained" in general, not just for a specific discipline. Sorry! I should have been more clear. Thanks for the response : ]
 

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I would also say western and as far as western goes, reiners. But there is well trained horses in every discpline.
BTW your horses are beautiful.
 

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I generally look more at the individual animal than the discipline... BUT if I had to pickI think pleasure horses (english, hunter, and western pleasure horses) and reiners are the more completely obedient types. They are generally more cool headed and calm and have to give to a riders slightest cue without hesitation. The only reason I do not put dressage horses up there is they are generally hotter horses, though are trained to be just as obedient. These horses are judged based on that willingness and obedience.

Any event where there is speed involved(racing, barrel racing, cross country ect) the horse is more hot natured and more prone to being free willed and such, generally when you add speed horses tend to lose a little of their discipline and absolute obedience.
 

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I would also say western and as far as western goes, reiners. But there is well trained horses in every discpline.
BTW your horses are beautiful.
Thank you :D


I generally look more at the individual animal than the discipline... BUT if I had to pickI think pleasure horses (english, hunter, and western pleasure horses) and reiners are the more completely obedient types. They are generally more cool headed and calm and have to give to a riders slightest cue without hesitation. The only reason I do not put dressage horses up there is they are generally hotter horses, though are trained to be just as obedient. These horses are judged based on that willingness and obedience.

Any event where there is speed involved(racing, barrel racing, cross country ect) the horse is more hot natured and more prone to being free willed and such, generally when you add speed horses tend to lose a little of their discipline and absolute obedience.
Thanks for your input. I feel the same way as you do about reiners... I really posted this thread because I wanted to see if anybody else felt that way or if I was just biased, haha. Thanks again : ]
 

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Reiners are very well trained, some of them are a little over-trained IMO. I honestly don't think there is a more broke or well trained horse out there than a ranch horse that is ridden by a true ranch hand. They can still do all the things a reining horse can do but are generally more calm and have been exposed to a whole lot more. That's the horse you can ride to gather a bunch of wild cattle out of rough country and then throw your kid on and let them ride around town. Are they the most well trained of all the horse world? No, but you can bet I would pay more for a good broke ranch horse than any other horse out there.
 

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...I honestly don't think there is a more broke or well trained horse out there than a ranch horse that is ridden by a true ranch hand. They can still do all the things a reining horse can do but are generally more calm and have been exposed to a whole lot more. That's the horse you can ride to gather a bunch of wild cattle out of rough country and then throw your kid on and let them ride around town. Are they the most well trained of all the horse world? No, but you can bet I would pay more for a good broke ranch horse than any other horse out there.
I agree with this 100%. Our lead mare was a working ranch penner and is the most willing, do anything, go anywhere, calm horse that I've ever ridden. You never have to push her... when working, she's all business and seems to actually enjoy her work.
 

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Training levels are 110% subjective.
Western Pleasure horses are supposed to be easy to ride, and extremely laid back. Arabian showhorses are supposed to be firey. A barrel horse would make a pretty crummy WP horse.
A well trained dressage horse is a well-trained dressage horse. A well trained roper is a well trained roper.
No one discipline produces "better" horses. Look at the top horses in each individual sport, and you've got a good idea of what the 'best' horses in said discipline is. In all honesty, I don't think there is a 'correct' answer for this question, it's completely subjective.


Roro summed it up well:
dressage horses are the most well-trained for dressage,
eventing horses are the most well-trained for eventing,
reining horses are the most well-trained for reining,
trail horses are the most well-trained for trails,
etc.
You cannot accurately state that one discipline has more obedient or more well-trained horses than the other.
 

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Training levels are 110% subjective.
Western Pleasure horses are supposed to be easy to ride, and extremely laid back. Arabian showhorses are supposed to be firey. A barrel horse would make a pretty crummy WP horse.
A well trained dressage horse is a well-trained dressage horse. A well trained roper is a well trained roper.
No one discipline produces "better" horses. Look at the top horses in each individual sport, and you've got a good idea of what the 'best' horses in said discipline is. In all honesty, I don't think there is a 'correct' answer for this question, it's completely subjective.
I'm talking basic obedience - not skill in a specific discipline.
 

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Again, in my opinion, the question itself is subjective.... for example, I don't expect my dressage horse to stand on hours tied fast. I don't really need him to drag anything either. I expect ANY horse to lead properly and respect my space. I expect any horse to be able to listen to my verbal commands once trained to them. I don't want a dead-head under saddle; I want something with spunk. I don't mind a little bit of personality, I find that it enhances some sports.
It's all about individual expectations, based on a subjective view from each individual discipline.
 

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I'm with Smrobs 100% on this one. Over here, most campdraft horses are also used on stations - The parents will ride them in the open and then pop the kids on up to do the junior draft. Solid, willing, dependable, but still have a mind of their own.
 

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Nobody mentioned hunters, hunter seat equitation horses, or field/fox hunters.....

I would have to vote for hunter seat equitation horses. They have to be calm, obedient, rideable and make their riders look good no matter what. They have to perform advanced maneuvers on light contact and with invisible aids. Then they have to repeat the same tests with different riders, then there's individual flat tests designed to separate the "robots" from the truly well trained, obedient horses.

My second vote is for field/fox hunters. No one who hasn't actually hunted can understand what it's like to gallop for a a mile or more in a crowd, with everyone's blood up and hounds in full cry, then stop dead, stand, back your horse off of a narrow trail and stand quietly while the rest of the field reverses and gallops by you. Add maintaing safe following distance at a gallop, ponying another horse, jumping in tandem, jumping from a walk or trot in trappy conditions, handling hand gates, dropping a 'rider' on a fence from the saddle, and allowing riders to pass a flask, ham biscuits and Advil from hand to hand without disaster, and you have a viable candidate for best trained/most obedient.
 

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think pleasure horses (english, hunter, and western pleasure horses)
I understood this to mean pleasure horses, not Working Hunters or Hunter Seat Equitation. Slightly different disclipline, different training.
 

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oh, I had no idea there were different types of hunters... thank you for clearing that up for a western rider!
 

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Ranch horses, for sure. I owned one for almost 10 years and that horse did everything with no fuss. And when I say everything.. I mean everything lol.
I'm taking this question to mean "what horses are the most amateur competition/all round friendly?".
In the case of "what horses are the best trained?" I'm obviously going to say dressage lol. Dressage means training. Its purpose is to produce a horse that is so finely tuned to the aids, it looks the rider is doing nothing.

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