[Gradelover2000]

This stallion has been von top of my favorite stud list for a long time. I first found him when I was considering breeding brownie a couple of years ago. Never ended up doing it but I want to see what people more experienced in judging breeding stock thinks.

His name is Extremely Intoxicated and he's a pure bred Arab. Here's the details from the farms website. Toxic is 14.2 hands.
SCIDS, CA, and LFS Clear.
Homoz. Black
EE aa W19 (white spotting gene)

Now I know nothing about the white spotting gene and thought arabs cannot be pinto and purebred. He apparently has a great temperment and his offspring has excelled in endurance.

 

[farmpony84]

It's called white spotting. It's also called Sabino in the US. It's the only "paint" like marking that is in the Arabian breed. I think it's actually fairly common. The horse is usually registered by it's base color so that one would probably be a bay. There is another "odd" color pattern in the Arab world, it's kind of a roan like color where the white is mixed in with the coat.

 

[Acadianartist]

I don't know anything about the genetics, but I see this fad of pinto coloured Arabians a lot lately. To be honest, it worries me a little because as with any fad, people will sometimes seek out these genetic abnormalities for appearances alone, and most often, they can come with some less desirable genes. But I'll stop there since I don't know enough about it to comment further.

 

[Avna]

I'm not a fan of the color, but as far as conformation goes, I can't tell much without true, posed, conformation photos, from side, front, back, squared up and on clean flat ground. A stud photo of an ungroomed horse standing in mud doesn't impress me.

What qualities does he bring to the table, breeding-wise? Will they compliment strengths in your mare? What has he done, performance-wise? Does he demonstrate excellence in the discipline you are interested in?

 

[jaydee]

If I'm looking at the right pedigree, he was born in 2011, that makes him a ten year old.

Looking at the photos I'd have thought he was 2 or 3 years old because he's all legs and no real body.

I don't know what your mare is like or what you'd want to do with the offspring but I'm not a huge fan of the leggy, short back, Arabians that have no depth in their body.

They lean more towards halter classes, racing and endurance.

He's got some super Polish blood in his ancestry, horses with loads of substance, so its hard to understand why the rather flimsy light build.

 

[Gradelover2000]

I'm not looking to breed to him anymore as I no longer had a mare. My mom and I were thinking maybe a colt of his in the future. I am pretty interested in endurance. Here's some more pictures. The farm site doesn't really have much in the way of actual confirmation pictures.

 

[Acadianartist]

Sorry, but I wouldn't want offspring from this horse. What an odd build... but maybe that's just me. It just doesn't seem like anything fits together right.

 

[BGnMe]

I don't know much about breeding, but don't most reputable breeders try to put out good, photogenic stud pictures? They at least clean up the horse... They usually have pictures of the horse standing square (or somewhat), pictures in hand (halter), and sometimes even under saddle. These kind of look like just random "in the field" pictures that a novice would take.
Cute horse, but maybe not stud material.

 

[Dreamcatcher Arabians]

I wouldn't touch him with a 10 ft pole. I don't have a problem with his color or color genes, they're fairly frequent in PB Arabs and yes, they can and have been registered pinto off of them and they are still pure. Rabicano and some Sabino genes are known to be in the Arab breeding, some express loudly, some not at all.

His conformation is gawd awful. I wouldn't breed to him and he's the last one I'd look to for a foal. That said, he may be a lovely tempered fellow and may do all the things you want to do but I'd want to see some competition results from him before I'd even consider a foal.

There are a lot of really nice stallions and mares out there, I'd look for a really nicely bred and nicely built foal with the temperament you want.

 

[Gradelover2000]

This is why I posted. I'm bad a conformation even though I'm learning. In all honesty a nicely put together Ottb would meet my needs just the same. Arabs have been a life long obsession.

 

[Dreamcatcher Arabians]

This is why I posted. I'm bad a conformation even though I'm learning. In all honesty a nicely put together Ottb would meet my needs just the same. Arabs have been a life long obsession.

I love Arabs and for endurance you can't beat them. There are a LOT of really nice Arabs out there for not a whole lot of money and that's where I'd be looking. If someone doesn't care enough to put up good pics of their horse, clean, and groomed, they can't be real concerned with what they turn out for foals. His stud fee is an indication of his quality. Normal young stallion stud fees start at around $2500. Just FYI, be suspicious when you find a PB Arab standing for what amounts to QH stud fees.

 

[ACinATX]

If he were my horse, I'd be in love with the way he looks. But I agree I wouldn't breed him. He does seem to be made up of various parts that don't quite fit together.

 

[Dreamcatcher Arabians]

If he were my horse, I'd be in love with the way he looks. But I agree I wouldn't breed him. He does seem to be made up of various parts that don't quite fit together.

He's flashy and that sells stud fees. Seeing pics of his foals, he doesn't seem to pass on much of the color. His parts don't fit, a friend of mine used to call horses like that "collywobbled together", it fits. If he was mine, we wouldn't need this discussion because I'd have gelded him almost before he could stand.

 

[Aprilswissmiss]

Agree with all of the above - I thought he was a 2 year old looking at his pics. Has he done anything himself, proven his worth in any way? His small nostrils on a crinkled nose and dished face alone tell me that he is not an Arabian built to work, he's an Arabian built to look pretty. Then you look at the rest of his body and it tells the same story.

I noticed this young gelding up for sale yesterday. This is the kind of Arabian build I'd be looking at if I was interested in buying an endurance horse.

 

[Zimalia22]

The horse this thread is about, to me, is an uncut gelding. Pretty poor quality.
The gelding in the above post is a much nicer horse.

I would not want a colt by the horse in question.

 

[Dreamcatcher Arabians]

Agree with all of the above - I thought he was a 2 year old looking at his pics. Has he done anything himself, proven his worth in any way? His small nostrils on a crinkled nose and dished face alone tell me that he is not an Arabian built to work, he's an Arabian built to look pretty. Then you look at the rest of his body and it tells the same story.

I noticed this young gelding up for sale yesterday. This is the kind of Arabian build I'd be looking at if I was interested in buying an endurance horse.

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This guy is really nice. Not bred for halter, and that's not a detriment, he's good and sturdy. I would buy this gelding if I had a use for him.

 

[Dreamcatcher Arabians]

Here's a couple pics of the only Arabian I still own. He was a stallion until he was 8 years old and very mannerly. Threw better foals than himself. When I decided not to breed any more Arabs, I gelded him. He now runs with his "girls" and is still very much the herd stallion without any of the studdish behavior. Super easy to handle as a stallion, even easier as a gelding. I, personally, love his looks and wouldn't trade his temperament for anything. His name is SVS Il Divo aka Cloney. He's been a champion, produced a couple champions and produced foals that were sold to UAE & Saudi Arabia.

 

[puff]

Have been breeding Arabs/Part Arabs for 50+ years with numerous National/Regional wins - think that horse would be a less than average gelding

 

[ClearDonkey]

If you are interested in endurance, I'd reach out to @phantomhorse13 - I know she is involved with the raffling of an endurance-bred Arabian every single and knows of some great endurance horse breeders. A horse that is already on the ground is a way better bet than an unborn, theoretical foal.

The pinto stud himself...Not quality whatsoever. I really dislike the trend of keeping these poorly-conformed Arabians studs just because they throw color... The same thing is happening with Thoroughbreds that are born with pinto coloration. The price tags are usually $$$, no matter how poor their conformation, performance record, attitude, everything... It's a real disservice to the breeds and is contributing to the issue with backyard breeding.

This isn't saying that a pinto Arabian or a pinto Thoroughbred CAN'T be worthy of breeding to, but many of them are only stallions because they are pinto.

 

[stevenson]

That stud colt has poor conformation. IMO it needs gelded. The bay is a much nicer looking horse. I forget which member has Arabs that are really nice well put together horses. One of the older members.