FWIW, for those doubting his pedigree.... pretty impressive....*Aladdinn, *Bask, *Serafix, Fa-Serr, Alaa el Din, Fadl, *Witez II, *Raffles....
Oh I agree.... not the best photos, at all. So with that in mind... and the horse so obviously not being in any condition.... it is very unfair to call the horse a "creature" and rip him apart...without seeing him presented in a better way. I believe the OP got the photos from the stallion owner's website so it is not her fault.In their defense though the photos chosen were not the best to represent him. It is a disservice to ask for an opinion and not present the best photo available. I would expect it you were promoting you'd have a portfolio and use those. You might have some shots of him that were more candid but those wouldn't be what you used to sell him.
I think that part of the problem, at least for me, is that the breeder did not take the time and effort to take good conformation pictures of a clean and well-fed horse, ideally well-conditioned as well to show the animal's true potential. It's a big red flag. So is not having any proof of the animal's athleticism in terms of photos or videos of the horse being ridden or records of successfully competing. Maybe the horse could be fantastic, maybe he does have potential... But he is not presented that way, and I have a hard time trusting breeders who think their animals' full potential is best conveyed through pictures of a dirty underweight horse.I just now saw this thread, and despite it being a month old I wanted to bring it back, because I happen to have a very good friend who has a son of that black sabino Arabian that some people are dissing and "wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole", she is friends with the owner of that stallion (or, if not friends, she knows her anyway.... from purchasing her colt). My friend's stallion is GORGEOUS, has substance, correct legs, is a bay sabino, and is the total package. And believe me, I am more picky about Arabians than most.... I dislike the new modern halter horses, and I prefer the Arabians of yesterday when they had good legs, short cannons, and substance (I used to own an *Exelsjor son, he was a gorgeous stocky guy).
Now, anyone can see the photos are rather poor quality, and the stallion, Xtremely Intoxicated, is NOT anywhere near being in condition, in fact he looks a bit poor and rather under weight in a few pictures, and in need of muscling and some very good conditioning..... no doubt he has perhaps been a pasture horse for awhile. It saddens me to see such negative, and nasty remarks about him. Those of you dissing him, if you know anything at all about horses... you KNOW that you NEED GOOD photos.... and most important, your horse needs to be in GOOD CONDITION, and stood up properly in at least one photo. I would post photos of my friends stallion that is sired by this black sabino, but I do not have any, and I don't feel good about "borrowing" her photos from social media. But he is a very gorgeous, very correct stallion with substance and great legs, good hip....but he also has had a lot of very good conditioning and has been worked, had a box stall, and indoor arena....etc. Sooo.... I would never rule out any stallion, unless you have actually seen his offspring, seen some GOOD photos, and video, and have seen the horse presented in the BEST possible condition (it can be kind of like how some horses are trained, those that have been ridden with a hollow back do not develop a topline, but those who have been ridden long and low with a nice rounded frame will develop a very nice topline and muscling). I have some photos of my horses in pasture condition, just loafing in a field....and they look like donkeys....
Exactly, these are not good conformation photos.... so I do not understand why so many are bashing this horse.... the angles are not good, and the horse not posed, and the horse lacks conditioning. You could take the same horse, condition him and develop muscles, and you would have a totally different horse. And FWIW, there are a LOT of stallions out there standing at stud who have done NOTHING But stand in a halter arena and the owners demand big bucks for stud fees..... I could name about a hundred stallions.... with zero performance records and zero time under saddle. And those are popular sires at the moment. I don't think it fair to bash a horse because of the owners mistakes in grooming...I think that part of the problem, at least for me, is that the breeder did not take the time and effort to take good conformation pictures of a clean and well-fed horse, ideally well-conditioned as well to show the animal's true potential. It's a big red flag. So is not having any proof of the animal's athleticism in terms of photos or videos of the horse being ridden or records of successfully competing. Maybe the horse could be fantastic, maybe he does have potential... But he is not presented that way, and I have a hard time trusting breeders who think their animals' full potential is best conveyed through pictures of a dirty underweight horse.
I don't see restricted nostrils on this stallion.... would you want to elaborate a bit more?I didn't see anything wrong with candid photos shown of the animal... few horses are always pristine clean.
He warrants though correctly done photos of him cleaned up and presented so honest assessment is done.
If he is being offered as a stallion, stud service then to know what he has produced only increases his worth, and if he did breed and nothing good came of him...then maybe not advertise as a stallion/stud..
People want return for their $$ spent often when purchasing a stud or breeding to a particular stud.
Regardless of all of that, my choice is not for such a sculpted face and restricted appearing sinus and nose structures.
I just don't like this severe to my eye sculpted appearance.
You'd think a stud owner that wants to attract quality mares to breed to their stud would prioritize creating quality advertisements wherever they decide to advertise their stallion.Well I am willing to bet no one (who is bashing this horse) took the time to check out the Facebook page (the farm's FB page, link is on their website), where they DO show no mud, his foals, and more photos of the stallion cleaned up.
Show wins do not always equal a good horse... just go look at half of the Natl Champion Arabian halter horses of recent years... bad legs, club feet, no depth and no substance... Google the champion stallion Magnum Psyche, never under saddle and his conformation and legs were a mess.... But, wow, he won, so let's breed to him!! I would rather have a nice stallion with a good disposition and decent and not deformed conformation. And I am done arguing about how the owner should have gotten better photos, we are ALL in agreement on that and I have stated as much here. I can name other champion Arabians, Eternety, take a look at his front legs and pastern, he was never ridden either, but wow he won at halter so let's all breed to him...worst legs in the industry. Same with Bey Shah, well known for bad legs/feet. I could go on.... But, they were all cleaned up and presented nicely weren't they....You'd think a stud owner that wants to attract quality mares to breed to their stud would prioritize creating quality advertisements wherever they decide to advertise their stallion.
If they don't want to take the time to update a website, get rid of it then! I google search for available studs and I won't look at Facebook pages, generally. I want to be able to go straight to a website, see his breeding, his conformation, his foals on the ground, his competition experience, etc etc. Facebook isn't a great avenue to do this. This is turning into a rant about Facebook, but I digress.
You've made your point - BUT I'm on his Facebook page now. There is not a single. conformation. picture. where he is cleaned up, set up, and advertised as a stallion. He's advertised as a colored horse. That's his attraction and that's all I'm seeing when I'm looking at him and his advertisement.
This isn't a conformation picture:
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Neither is this:
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Still no conformation picture:
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Still no accomplishments listed anywhere, on Facebook or his website... Only pictures of his colorful foals...
Still not a stud I'd breed to.
An example of a stud that I want to breed to, that has a good advertisement, and has the information I want to see:
Easy to find conformation picture:
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Lists his accomplishments so far (as a stallion born in 2016!), has lots of pictures and videos of him undersaddle and performing, pedigree is right there, stallion agreement is right there... This is what I expect...
Just my opinion of course...
I agree with most of what you say.... the photos are not good....but some of the replies on here were horrid.... bashing the owner, bashing how the farm looked (WHERE do they even see the farm? just a few fences...) and calling the horse a "creature"....that was too far.Sorry, it is my opinion his profile and face are more severely sculpted than what was "the norm" of Arabians from probably 15 years ago.
When the dished face is seen as this...it may be what is now the norm, but to me it is not a desirable trait in a horse I would want to own, buy, nor breed to so sculpted.
That's not knocking this horse...it is a personal preference I am entitled to just as others think it beautiful, I don't...to each their own..
I would not choose this horse as stud to my mare for what has been bred in he shall pass on to his get..
That is why there are so many choices in all breeds of registered stock, cause not everyone wants/desires the same appearance.
Give me a horse with the beautiful disposition and older conformation...sold.
This....no, I would pass. I just don't like it.
Candid pictures are fine, but I do want to see the stood-up, professionally done conformation ones too, add to that what his get have done, along with what he has done and his breeding. Many standing stallions ads have pictures of the get and what they are doing to carry the line and prestige of the bloodline forward.
He's got color, he's pretty...but so do a lot of other horses with a paper-trail shared and made easily available. I would never use FB as my place to find a stallion...😐
I'm looking for advertising, stud book acknowledgement and ads placed...show records, actual media paid to campaign a stud horse.