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I want to ask you this, you know how barns have 30 days notice when leaving? Some say otherwise if you dont, you need to pay for a full months board.

Well I gave my 30 days notice last Friday and said I would leave on Sept 26. But last night (because I want to get the hell out sooner than a month), I told the barn helper than Im leaving Fri Sept 11 instead. She said its fine.

Now the dilemna here is, should I/would you still pay for a full months board even though Im only there for 11 days this month? Heres the thing, as you already know I do the night feed there (pretty much every night), in exchange for discounted board. I get $100 back from the barn helper on the last day of the month, making my board $340/month.

Obviously this month I wont be getting the $100 back because I wont be there on the last day of Sept. But I will still be doing feed for the remaining 9 days that Im there.

Heres how I see it. They know Im leaving. Ive been there for 4 (maybe 4.5) months doing feed just about every single night. When I first got there, (before I bought my horse) I was also cleaning the place up, shovelling ****, etc. Boarders have always come up to me saying how I shouldnt be doing feed unless they pay me, I should be paid etc. Because I didnt have my horse during this time, I didnt get any compensation in return until about 1.5 months later when I got her.

Personally if you ask me, I think the BO or his helper should be nice and either let the 30 days notice slide for me and I can just pay the remaining days Im there for. OR if he was really appreciative of what I did for them, (if I ran the place I would do this) he would say to not worry about paying board for the remaining time im there as a big thanks for all Ive done for them. In fact, I find it a bit insulting that they never even offered this to me. It would have been nice if they said "hey, just pay the remaining days you are here for....I wont let you pay for a full months board if youre only here for 10 of the days". So I see it as them just wanting to get the extra money from me, plain and simple.

I pay $440/ month. I need to write out a cheque for them today, what would you write it for?

1) If I write it for the full amount $440, I shouldnt have to do feed for the remaining 9 days (but I know she expects me to).
2) I could split it in the middle and pay them an extra weeks board, on top of the 11 days Im there for.
3) Give them exactly 11 days and when they ask about it, have something planned up to say.

Do keep in mind, (I dont want to burn bridges) but I also dont ever plan on coming back to this place ever again. The "helper" did ask me to come and visit later on though.
 

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I'd say what's in the past is in the past. I would go digging up what you've done in the past. This is now.

If they require 30 days notice it's because they want time to find another boarder without losing money for the month. If you're on good terms with who ever you pay I would ask if they'd be willing to just do "pay by the day" for the 11 days. If they say no they have every right to collect that months board.
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I'd say what's in the past is in the past. I would go digging up what you've done in the past. This is now.

If they require 30 days notice it's because they want time to find another boarder without losing money for the month. If you're on good terms with who ever you pay I would ask if they'd be willing to just do "pay by the day" for the 11 days. If they say no they have every right to collect that months board.
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Yes, Im on good terms with the person I pay. If I asked her if I could only pay the remaining 10 days she would say no, thats why I didnt bother asking.

Im leaning towards just paying for the remaining 10 days and another week on top.

I know they have the 30 day rule in place for a reason (and its very legit), but I just find it a bit insulting that they never even offered to cut me any slack for all that Ive done for them. Mind you, yes the barn "helper" has done a lot for me too and has taught me a lot and helped me with things here and there, but Ive put a lot of time into this place and feeding just about every single night for 4 months is a lot work I did.

Let me just put it this way, the time Ive spent feeding every night and shovelling **** (for the first month), is worth way more than the difference in board from a full month to 10 days (approx $300).

And most importantly, if Im going to pay the full months board, and not going to get my $100 back, why am I still expected to do feed? Like really, the barn "helper" knew this. She should have at least said this and offered me to not have to do it for the remaining time Im there. Just a bit insulting thats all and in a way I feel theyre taking advantage of me (have me pay a full months board, not give my $100 at the end and still get me to feed).
 

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You're not going be there to feed for the entire month and you feeding is what gets you the discounted board.

I would pay the full board in this case.
 

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You're not going be there to feed for the entire month and you feeding is what gets you the discounted board.

I would pay the full board in this case.
True, well then if I pay the full board and not getting the $100 back, then i wont feed for the last 10 days.

I will run this by the barn "helper" and see what she says. If she still needs me to feed then we need to work out a discount. Ive already done enough for this barn and am burnt out with feeding.
 

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True, well then if I pay the full board and not getting the $100 back, then i wont feed for the last 10 days.

I will run this by the barn "helper" and see what she says. If she still needs me to feed then we need to work out a discount. Ive already done enough for this barn and am burnt out with feeding.
Exactly. I wouldn't feed for this time either, if paying full board. I would let them know that since this last month of board is a full paying board, I wouldn't be feeding. :wink:
 

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Every time I have had to/chose to leave a barn early, I always paid the full board price. If you signed a board contract stating that 30 days notice are required, you must continue to pay the full price and continue to uphold your duties as a boarder until the day you leave - unless otherwise agreed upon by the barn owner.

So, what amount should you write on the cheque? That's not something we can answer for you. This is a question that your barn owner, and only your barn owner, can answer. However, you should pay the full price of the month. Your decision to leave earlier in the month is your choice, and you still need to uphold the agreement until the 30th.

I know that if you showed up at my barn with a final cheque that was not the full expected amount, I would not be happy. I think you need to sort this out with the BO. Sounds like there are too many complications with the discounted board, etc....
 

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Personally, I think that if you don't want to burn bridges then you should pay the full month and stay there so you don't loose money.
One place that I kept my horses I literally ran from it (yes, it was that bad). I paid the full month of board but found a new place by the tenth and left then. I had to pay the remaining 20 days at the new place but didn't ask for my money back at the old place. I just needed to get my horses out of there before something else happened and didn't care about the money. I know it's hard to spend money that you don't have to waste, but sometimes it's worth it.
Also, if you don't want to feed, then don't feed. Just tell them that you cannot do it and pay the full board.
 

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So do you have a contract or not?

You gave your 30 days. From my experience, and every barn around here, it's 30 days as of the 1st of the month, you can give it sooner, as well as leave sooner, but you still need to pay for 30 days as of the first of the month. So yes, you should pay for a full months board. Now, IF you do not have a contract or it states nothing about notice and payment, then you may leave sooner with only pay those dates you are there (pro-rated). I personally would not do this either way, unless there was some reason that you needed to leave sooner (you are moving to a new city or state/horse is not being cared for/BO broke contract, etc etc).

Also, I would be giving written notice to the BO - not simply stating what you plan to do to a staff member, it's honestly not up to the staff member AT ALL. Read your contract, and give written notice to BO.
 

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Also, I would be giving written notice to the BO - not simply stating what you plan to do to a staff member, it's honestly not up to the staff member AT ALL. Read your contract, and give written notice to BO.
^^ THIS especially!!

Similar situation with the last apartment I lived in before I moved back to my home town. Gave verbal notice to one of the lease agents on December 1st when I paid December's rent that I was leaving on January 1st. Nowhere in my contract did it state that I had to provide written notice. January 1st rolled around and I went to hand in my keys (everything was loaded up and ready to go). The property manager threw a fit and refused to do a walk-through on the apartment because I hadn't given 30-days written notice directly to her. A month and a half later, I got a bill in the mail for damages (some of which were sorely inflated) and rent for the month of January because I didn't give them written notice.

At my last barn, I gave written notice when I paid my final month of board. I paid for a full month of board, then moved my gelding sooner, as the barn I was moving to had a stall open up sooner than anticipated. Luckily my new BO pro-rated that first month, so I wasn't paying two full months of board in one month (even though board at the new place was just over half what it was at the old place :shock: ). My old BO threw a fit that I was leaving early, but there was nothing he could do about, as I had given my written 30-day notice as required by my board contract and he had a full month's board in his hot little hands (plus $25 for a "late fee" since I had to pay my board on the 5th, not the 1st, due to the way my pay days fell).
 

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If you have a signed contract, you must fulfill the agreed terms, so if the contract you signed says, 1 day or 31, you pay one full month's rent/board. I had only a verbal agreement with the BO that I rented a paddock and shelter from, and though I argued all rent increases for 14 years, I would have honored the monthly payment date of 5th of the every month.
I bought my current 5 acres in 1999 on October 31st, and my horses were trailered out of the old place on November 1st!
If your contract is verbal, you could very well burn a bridge that you may need in the future. It isn't worth it. Just pay up. You haven't been a BO, and we all need to walk a mile in someone else's sandals.
 

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Yes, Im on good terms with the person I pay. If I asked her if I could only pay the remaining 10 days she would say no, thats why I didnt bother asking.

Im leaning towards just paying for the remaining 10 days and another week on top.

I know they have the 30 day rule in place for a reason (and its very legit), but I just find it a bit insulting that they never even offered to cut me any slack for all that Ive done for them. Mind you, yes the barn "helper" has done a lot for me too and has taught me a lot and helped me with things here and there, but Ive put a lot of time into this place and feeding just about every single night for 4 months is a lot work I did.

Let me just put it this way, the time Ive spent feeding every night and shovelling **** (for the first month), is worth way more than the difference in board from a full month to 10 days (approx $300).

And most importantly, if Im going to pay the full months board, and not going to get my $100 back, why am I still expected to do feed? Like really, the barn "helper" knew this. She should have at least said this and offered me to not have to do it for the remaining time Im there. Just a bit insulting thats all and in a way I feel theyre taking advantage of me (have me pay a full months board, not give my $100 at the end and still get me to feed).
Ok, so then the answer is no.

But in the end you AGREED to the arrangement, no? You have a responsibility to uphold your end of the agreement, which is 30 days notice. I find it insulting that my BO take $3 off board to feed one meal, but I don't argue because I agree to feed most Friday's. I could have just said "no thank you" from the beginning, but I enjoy feed. I can't just give her $5 less off my board for feeding because that's what I feel it worth.

The only way I can see you getting over this is by finding another boarder to fill your spot when you leave.
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You need to pay the 30 days.

What I would do - pay right up to the 28th of September. So pay $124.60 for the 11 days you will be there (if you continue helping with the feed). Plus $249.30 for the remaining 17 days. Which would be about $374.00. If you don't help with the feed it's about $410.00.

Unless clearly stated on your contract I think you should have to pay 30 days from the day you gave notice not until the end of the month.

I know if feels like they should be treating you differently because you help out... but that's not usually reality. If you want compensation for what you do negotiate it at the time, not down the track when you want.

You may not care about burning bridges, but the horse world is small and it can come back to bite you in unforeseeable ways. Always act with integrity even if others don't - this means acting in accordance to the contracts you agree to.
 

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So do you have a contract or not?

You gave your 30 days. From my experience, and every barn around here, it's 30 days as of the 1st of the month, you can give it sooner, as well as leave sooner, but you still need to pay for 30 days as of the first of the month. So yes, you should pay for a full months board. Now, IF you do not have a contract or it states nothing about notice and payment, then you may leave sooner with only pay those dates you are there (pro-rated). I personally would not do this either way, unless there was some reason that you needed to leave sooner (you are moving to a new city or state/horse is not being cared for/BO broke contract, etc etc).

Also, I would be giving written notice to the BO - not simply stating what you plan to do to a staff member, it's honestly not up to the staff member AT ALL. Read your contract, and give written notice to BO.
I just looked over my contract and it doesnt say anything in print about 30 days notice. The barn helper preaches it, but its not on the contract.

I know there have been a few in the past month who just left within a few days and even though the barn helper wasnt happy, theres not much they can do about it.

I ran into the barn helper tonight and I emailed her in the morning. She usually brings it up with me but just in case she hasnt read my email yet, ill give her til tomorrow night.
 

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I just looked over my contract and it doesnt say anything in print about 30 days notice. The barn helper preaches it, but its not on the contract.

I know there have been a few in the past month who just left within a few days and even though the barn helper wasnt happy, theres not much they can do about it.

I ran into the barn helper tonight and I emailed her in the morning. She usually brings it up with me but just in case she hasnt read my email yet, ill give her til tomorrow night.
Why in the world are you not speaking with the BO directly - the staff have absolutely nothing to do with this.
 
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It's odd to me that the barn didn't make you pay first and last month's board when you got there (or at least get a check for it) so it ensures they get 30 days notice. That's what my barn does, and many apartment rental places do as well.

I would say you need to pay the 30 days, if you don't want to burn any bridges, but you might try and get a prorated amount back for feeding time. So if you're only staying half the month, instead of 100 off, can you get 50? It's something, and I think it's a reasonable question to ask. I definitely wouldn't be feeding anymore unless they will provide some incentive for you to help with that...
 

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I'd go by what the contract says & continue to feed while you are there.
Remind them you are leaving, if they have a fit show them the contract.

To me 30 days is 30 days unless something states notice must be given at the first of the month.
I don't have a 30 day clause in my contract. If someone wants to leave they can go anytime. To me that's so much easier & no had feelings.

I had a boarder who wanted to go to a show barn for 5 months & paid board to me to hold her stall. When she came back I gave her all the board money back just 'because.' She was very surprised & happy.
 

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I'd go by what the contract says & continue to feed while you are there.
Remind them you are leaving, if they have a fit show them the contract.

To me 30 days is 30 days unless something states notice must be given at the first of the month.
I don't have a 30 day clause in my contract. If someone wants to leave they can go anytime. To me that's so much easier & no had feelings.

I had a boarder who wanted to go to a show barn for 5 months & paid board to me to hold her stall. When she came back I gave her all the board money back just 'because.' She was very surprised & happy.
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I agree with Saskia, this is the correct way to do it.
You gave notice on Aug 28. You have already paid for the remaining days in August, so you only need to pay till September 28.

If you chose to keep feeding for the remaining 9 days (=$30), then I would deduct that from the board cheque, since you won't be there to collect it.

What's in the past is in the past. It would be nice of the bo to give you a bit of slack for all the work you did, but that is entirely voluntary on her part. Voluteering is volunteering, it does not mean you can claim what you think you deserve sometime later.
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Not bashing on you, Hoofpic, but this is exactly why I don't allow anyone to "work" in my barn when I have boarders. Either you are a boarder or you are hired help in my barn. Hired help gets a pay check and then they pay board just like any other boarder if they keep a horse here, or they're a boarder and they come visit their horse and enjoy it and they go home. A boarder will NEVER be allowed to clean stalls or feed or any other duties for a reduction in board money. It just gets too messy. And if it's gotten messy, that's the BO's fault for allowing it to happen.

The correct thing to do is to pay for Sept. board, unless it specifically states in your contract that they will pro rate a partial month, stop doing the feeding and move your horse during the 30 days. Don't expect a reduction, don't expect any favors. Take it as a learning experience and move on.
 
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