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Help! My pony Bart(19yo) is acting weird. This morning when I went up to feed him he wasnt interested in his food, he would take a small bite, chew a little, then spit it out! Whats wrong?? I listened to his stomach for like 30 seconds and didnt hear anything and then I made him walk and he walked just fine(he is prone to lameness) he wasnt trying to lay down just looked like he was trying to chew with his tounge sticking out. Whats wrong? What should I do? Is it his teeth? Do I need my vet?
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Yes, you really should call your vet. The lack of appetite and lack of gut sounds both point to a possible colic. If you know how, go ahead and count your horse's respirations and pulse as well as taking his temperature. Also look to see if there are fresh piles of feces in his paddock and note if they are dry or slimy or normal looking. Knowing these things when you talk to your vet will help him to determine if this is a true emergency.

Until you talk to your vet, take all food away from your horse (including hay) and just provide water. Watch him for any signs of pain and for further defication.
 

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Before you call the vet... Is it the same food and SAME bag? I had similar problem with my horses 3 weeks ago: opened new bag of Triple Crown (I've been feeding same feed for couple month) and they REFUSED to eat it. Jemma somewhat ate, but Kiara behaved same way as your horse. Obviously something was wrong with the feed in bag. :( I switched them to another one and they were just fine.
 

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Well, my horse Dozer is eating it fine, so is the donkey Radar, I opened this a day or two ago and he ate it then. I think it is a mouth problem, not colic, because my mom said she thinks he is trying to eat just is spitting it out because it is causing him pain :( We are getting numbers for equine dentists right now.
 

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I am with Ryle on this one. If you have no gut sounds it is a very serious situation. If you know how to take pulse and respiration rates as well as a rectal temperature you should do this and CALL THE VET. A phone call is free. Let the person with medical training and experience make the decision on whether your horse's life is in danger or not, that is what they are there for!!! Good luck with him.
 

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I know its not colic, he is pooping, my dad says he hears gut sounds now, and if he was he would be laying down and acting lame(those are all the symptoms he had last time he colicked so I am positive it isnt colic.
 

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It's better to be safe than sorry, don't you think? I would just call the vet, explain what is going on, and go from there. Not all horses try to lay down when they colic. And not all horses cease pooping when colicking. I would just call to make sure.
 

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Well, my horse Dozer is eating it fine, so is the donkey Radar, I opened this a day or two ago and he ate it then.
I'd get the vet then (at least call and describe what's going on and get the opinion). There is a possibility he could of bite on a bug and burn the mouth or throat. Or anything else. In any case, it's better to be safe then sorry.
 

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Look, if I had the money the vet would have been out here at 7 in the morning when I first noticed. But, I am only 14 and just spent my money on buying some pets I have no money and have no way to get the vet out unless my parents feel its necessary. I called him he said that Bart doesn't have colic probably just a sore mouth because one of my sister's friend rode him yesterday and was hard on his mouth >( If he is still sore tomorrow, we will call both the vet and the dentist.
 

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No need for sass, if you don't have money why are you buying more pets? Horses that are colicing can be pooping and have gut sounds (they may just be reduced). You should learn to take vitals (heart rate, respiration, temperature, digital pulses, etc.) from your vet, these can be important to tell them when you're concerned about your horse for *any* reason. And just to remind you your post says HELP PLEASE!! we tried to help by giving you the best advice and you just sassed back. No one wants to help someone who is going to throw attitude.
 

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I wasn't trying to have attitude, just mad at my parents for jumping on this and when I said I dont have money I was talking about me NOT my parents, My parents are the horse owners they can easily afford vet bills, feed bills, farrier fees, but they would rather wait things out when I would rather jump on things. I know I posted that I wanted help and I do, its just with all of you saying colic gets on my nerves because I know for sure it is not colic. This pony has colicked before(only once in my care and it was when he was new and we were learning) He ALWAYS does the same thing, laying down, no gut sounds, no poop, and only colics if he is having really bad foot pains. We have been keeping him at a steady weight that our vet says is perfect for him. Sorry if I acted rude but please stop saying colic. It isnt.
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Alright, well then what do you think it is? Since the symptoms you posted SAY colic, we're all going to tell you its probably colic.

Beyond what you give us, we can't help you. Your vet can diagnose your problems because he knows your horse, and knows more than the members of this forum. If you don't want to badger your parents until they give in and call the vet because you think there is a problem, do them and their bank account a favor and sell him.
 

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We called the vet, I said in one of my posts that I think it is a tooth problem, My parents were against calling because they had asked my aunt who they think knows everything and she said since someone with no horse experience was riding she probably hurt his mouth. I was begging them but they dont listen to me, they dont care what random people over the internet say, they ask who they want to ask and assume they are right. I have no control over my parents. I am not going to 'just do him a favor and sell him' becuase this horse had so many homes before I got him and we will do anything for eachother and he knows he has a forever home here. If I had known I would have needed my money for him I wouldnt have bought my pets I would have let them go on by and not even cared but that didnt happen, the dentist and vet are coming out thrusday(wish it was sooner but my dad has other plans >( ) Can you guys please stop telling me I am rude or a bad owner, If I was an adult or was the true owner or heck if I had any control over my parents I would have had the vet and dentist there that morning. So I am pretty sure it isnt choke, my mom was doing some internet research and said something about quidding? Who knows what she is talking about, most people just ignore her. Anyways, when I posted this I was hoping for you guys to post possible teeth problems (i.e. choke, needs floating, etc.)So sorry for being confusing I guess is what that would be referred to as?
 

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Not all colics present that same way because not all colics are caused by the same thing or of the same severity. (I speak from experience as a technician at an equine hospital--I've seen lots of colics.) The fact that your horse is pooping doesn't mean that it's not colic. You can have feces passed even though there is a severe impaction further up in the GI tract. You can have very mild colics to very severe colics. You can have colic that has nothing to do with a GI impaction or gas but instead with pain associated with gastric ulcers--which is one of the things that your horse sounds like he might have with the picking up feed and then dropping it. This is something we see alot with patients diagnosed with gastric ulcers.

If your vet told you OVER THE PHONE, without knowing your horse's heart rate, respiration rate and temperature and only had the same information that you gave here, that your horse is not colicing then you should consider talking to a different vet because it's impossible to know for sure whether it is or isn't colic without seeing him.
 

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Bart seems to be doing better, he was eating completely fine last night, finished all his food and this morning he wasn't hesitating either. If he goes back down hill I will call the vet. Promise. He still has his tooth app. on Thursday but I think I might call a different one and try and get him out today because the thought of bart being all drugged up if it wasn't a tooth problem instead some freak colic that came from nowhere I would be worried. So, gonna make hopefully just one call today and then go from there.
 

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Hey, I'm 14 too. It's okay, he should be fine now that he is eating again. Just make sure he's getting plenty of water. I've been through alot of problems with my pony Gizmo. He's coliced on us many times and once he ended up spending about a week and a half in a horse hospital. I just know from experience that no eating is a bad sign. It may not have been a tooth now that he is eating again.. but when was the last time his teeth were floated? If it wasn't in the past year, it's probably about time. And my other horse "gulps" his food so he's had problems with choke several times. If your horse eats really fast that might have been an issue too. One last possible thing, illergic reaction maybe? He could have gotten into something that may have irritated his mouth. That may have been why he wasn't eating. I think that can clear up quickly too. Also his mouth probably was sore.. if someone was yanking on it especially. Well I hope he gets better, best of luck!
 

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Thanks gizpeptig! Yea, according to my mom it has been years since his teeth have been floated because every year our vet looks in his mouth and says he looks perfect! So, I guess he naturally kept his teeth good, maybe his age is finally catching up with him so now he needs that. I dont think it is choke because there has been no signs of coughing, drooling, or runny nose but I originally thought it could have been a less servere choke. I hope it was the tugging on his mouth but I will know for sure on thursday.
 

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I'm confused - what exactly was the point of this thread?

The title of the post is "What's happening?" and then you discount everything you were told and insist you thought all along it was a tooth problem.

I'm just another one of those random people on the internet who can't be believed (kind of insulting comment to the people who took their time out to try to help, btw) but the signs and symptoms you've described are a much better fit with gastric ulcers.

only colics if he is having really bad foot pains.
I'm also curious about this, I'm not familiar with foot pain as a symptom of colic??? Founder, yes, but colic, no.
 

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I wasnt saying that you guys were random people on the internet who cant be believed because if I thought that I wouldn't be asking. I know this is a very confusing thread because I was very confused writing it. When I wrote the op I thought it was colic thats why I checked for stomach noises. I know you guys are all trying to help and I really am appreciating it but according to our vet, who has treated Bart for a long time, told me it isnt colic because he isnt lame and when he colics its because he goes lame and doesnt move enough therefore he isnt moving enough and it messes him up. Confusing but my parents are very close minded people and they only trust certain people, unfortunately, they trust the sucky people that arent always right. I say it is a tooth problem because when he was eating the first day it seemed as if he was chewing and his tounge kept getting in the way? Make sense or no cause I dont know how else to describe it. Anyways if the dentist cant find anything the vet will be called and will come out, I made my parents promise me that. I AM SORRY IF I HAVE CONFUSED YOU OR SEEMED UNGRATEFUL FOR YOUR HELP, I TRUELY DO APPRECIATE IT I AM JUST STRESSED RIGHT NOW. I really am hoping its just a sore mouth but who knows, this wouldn't be the first time he has confused people.
 

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Many things can cause colic. You cannot say 'oh, he's not lame, so he's definitely not colicking.' Perfectly sound horses can colic for MANY reasons. If my vet said that to me, I'd be on the phone with a new vet.

Definitely get the dentist out, because if he isn't eating right, he WILL colic.
 
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