I was taught that "shoot to kill", "shoot to stop the threat", and "shoot to maim" are subtly different.I was always instructed that if you pull your weapon, you are going to kill something. It's not a threat, it's not for show, it's to stop a threat to YOUR own life. I have also always been instructed, and practiced, that if you 'cover' something with the muzzle of the gun, put your finger on the trigger, you have passed the point of no return. You shoot and you shoot to kill, not maim. There's a lot of responsibility to carrying a weapon and it's not something to be done lightly. As you put it Horsef, you don't faff around. It will get you killed. I've always done the 'triple tap', 2 to the torso and 1 to the head. Not something you want to do just 'cuz'.
I understand the nuances. Just saying that I was taught that by the time you go for your weapon, you've past the point of no return and if you shoot, shoot to kill. You may, indeed, just 'stop the threat' because adrenaline can make it very hard to hit the target. I was taught to never "hope it's enough".I was taught that "shoot to kill", "shoot to stop the threat", and "shoot to maim" are subtly different.
"Shoot to kill" is "I will kill you, even if I don't have to."
"Shoot to stop the treat" is "I will stop you, even if I have to kill you."
"Shoot to maim" is "I will shoot you and hope that's enough to stop you."
I believe that military-style firearms should not be available to the average individual. Those are the weapons that decimate schools and businesses./QUOTE]
I did a Toastmasters presentation once with the title, "How to Talk to a Gun Owner Without Making Him Mad." My audience was a bunch of urban bankers, and when I told them that assault rifles don't spray bullets they absolutely could not believe me. The piddly little 5.56 cartridge is not even powerful enough to be legal for deer hunting in many states. The very common 30.06 is two and a half times more powerful than those "military style firearms."
A single-shot 12-gauge shotgun would be just as effective in a mass shooting where the victims are running away from the shooter or trying to hide under a desk. Only instead of people being wounded, they would all be dead. The type of firearm isn't the problem.
A 30.06 is a very attention grabbing rifle. If someone shoots you with that, you're pretty well done............ The very common 30.06 is two and a half times more powerful than those "military style firearms."
A single-shot 12-gauge shotgun would be just as effective in a mass shooting where the victims are running away from the shooter or trying to hide under a desk. Only instead of people being wounded, they would all be dead. The type of firearm isn't the problem.
I guess it depends on what you classify as an assualt rifle.I did a Toastmasters presentation once with the title, "How to Talk to a Gun Owner Without Making Him Mad." My audience was a bunch of urban bankers, and when I told them that assault rifles don't spray bullets they absolutely could not believe me.
Agreed. If you un-holster a weapon, you are about to use it, with no exceptions, and I hope I never have to use it.That's very incorrect. With wild animals, mostly just the noise of a gun firing will send them running. With a human, you never pull your gun, point your gun or put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to kill. It's not, "I've got a gun, stop or I'll warn you again.", by that point you're either in a kill or be killed situation. Lord willing, you will never be in such a position. Carrying a gun means you hope you'll never need it. You don't go around threatening people or brandishing your weapon just because. It's more a case of, if I'm in the position to NEED my gun, things have already gone much farther than I'd like them to have gotten. I've been carrying a gun since I was in my 20's and I'm in my 60's now. I hope I never need to show anyone that I've got it. I know and that's all that's necessary.
Well I carry and don’t ride but my mom and family grew up in Chatsworth in Roy Rodgers stomping grounds. She rode almost daily and carried a .38. And I will tell you she did right. Some of the stories would turn your head.Im curious as to whether or not you (the collective) carry a firearm while trail riding? My wife and I both do, as we ride in some pretty wild areas. We have both had to dispatch wild dogs or coyotes. Our bear population are pretty skittish and want no part of horses so thats never been an issue. However, when we road in Montana we had an up close visit from a big grizzly sow. Fortunately she chose discretion and beat feet away from us.
Anyone else?
Easier to [your favorite search engine]@jrc111 - "Triple-K Wyoming Western Drop-Loop Cartridge Belt Holster"
Holy cow. That's a lot of words. I've never heard of that and I live in Wyoming.
No problem. And no offense. When I have time some day.Easier to [your favorite search engine]
I recommend never going into the wild without a firearm. There are to many what if's to contend with when there is a slight emergency on the trail whether your walking or riding I am not willing to take the chance of not returning....Im curious as to whether or not you (the collective) carry a firearm while trail riding? My wife and I both do, as we ride in some pretty wild areas. We have both had to dispatch wild dogs or coyotes. Our bear population are pretty skittish and want no part of horses so thats never been an issue. However, when we road in Montana we had an up close visit from a big grizzly sow. Fortunately she chose discretion and beat feet away from us.
Anyone else?
I don't know which would be worse the bear or shooting off my horse and the wreck that would happen. I might be left for dead in the trail.Im curious as to whether or not you (the collective) carry a firearm while trail riding? My wife and I both do, as we ride in some pretty wild areas. We have both had to dispatch wild dogs or coyotes. Our bear population are pretty skittish and want no part of horses so thats never been an issue. However, when we road in Montana we had an up close visit from a big grizzly sow. Fortunately she chose discretion and beat feet away from us.
Anyone else?
I have been riding hiking, Backpacking, cross country pack trips and never had the occasion to need a firearm. I have camped, trailed cattle, and horse camped in the back country is several states, and never thought twice about needing a firearm. I'm not anti-gun by any means, I just dont want the extra weight pulling my belt down.I recommend never going into the wild without a firearm. There are to many what if's to contend with when there is a slight emergency on the trail whether your walking or riding I am not willing to take the chance of not returning....
I have been riding hiking, Backpacking, cross country pack trips and never had the occasion to need a firearm. I have camped, trailed cattle, and horse camped in the back country is several states, and never thought twice about needing a firearm. I'm not anti-gun by any means, I just dont want the extra weight pulling my belt down.
