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I was over at a friends house today, when her horse came back from the trainer. My friend is someone I admire greatly as a horse woman and is a very good trainer herself, but had hurt her back and had decided to send her mare to a trainer that we both know. I have ridden horses that were broke by him before and overall the results were very good.

The mare was having problems at the canter and my friend did not want to interrupt her training when she got hurt. Therefore off to the trainer she went.

I was horrified when the mare got off the trailer today. She was filthy, full of rain rot and had bloody marks from spurs. He got on her and proceeded to show how well she was doing. Yes she did respond better but he was pulling her around by the mouth with a really long shanked bit. Now I am not a western rider at all but my understanding of those bits is that they are to be used for neck raining only, not for using a direct rain.
He then explained that he had worked on her canter, but she only picks up the right lead. He apparently only ever works his horses on what ever lead they pick up.

If I was sending a horse to a trainer then I would expect a little more, putting the body condition of the horse aside. If I sent the horse to a trainer to work on her canter work then I would expect both leads to be worked equally.

My friend seemed to be completely happy with the work that was done and when I mentioned something about the condition of the mare she kinda shrugged it off.

Would you be upset if your horse come back in that condition? Do you think I am over reacting?
 

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No you aren't over reacting...

Uhhh, yeah I would be seriously steamed! Id throw a boot at him(the one that I didn't shove up his *** anyway) and demand my money back. Id also make him pay for the bloody gouges and the time it is going to take to cure the rainrot.

I"m sorry but if she just shrugged that off, she isn't a good horsewoman at all.

That poor horse...
 

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i would be petrified an trainer takes the full responsibiliy of your horse if i seen my horse with rain rot and blood i would definetly find out why they did that. you are not over reacting at all and they should work on the canter both sides and shank bits are neck reining only snaffles are direct.
 

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I would definitely be upset! You are paying the trainer to take care of your horse as well as train them. You are entrusting the safe-keeping of your horse to the trainer, and if they come back in that condition, I wouldn't consider that 'safe' or 'healthy'. And also the trainer only working the mare on the right lead? To me, that doesn't sound right. You're going to have some problems (most likely) if your horse is only trained to canter on one lead. I don't think you are over-reacting at all.
 

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Indeed! Horses get dirty sure, but rain rot means they aren't properly cooled down or let dry once they are cooled down, and the blood kind of speaks for itself. If I'd been her, or even you, he would have heard my mouth for sure.

As for the right lead, I don't think thats as big of an issue....to me it just sounds like the trainer was lazy.
 

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I would very infuriated!! :-x

I agree with all of the above..
Not over reacting at all!!

Can you sue that trainer??
Or, atleast.. Something?
So, no other horse has the possibilty of being treated the same way?
 

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i would be SO mad
 

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I would be super ****ed and be demanding my money back and would NEVER reccommend this "trainer" to anyone else.

I might be crazy expecting this but, if I'm paying someone to train my horse, when it comes back I expect it to be trained.
That might just be me though :lol:
 

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Wow! That is so BAD!!
How dares he :x
And frankly, if she just shrugs it off, Shame on her!!
 

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did they have a contract or anything ? i wouldnt call taking only the right lead to be trained at the canter.... i mean all horses prefer one lead, but you actually TRAIN them so they can do both....ridiculous
 

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I wouldn't have handed over a dime! That's so bad. It puts honest, hard working trainers in a bad light. Hope the horse is OK...
 

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As a trainer I'm flabbergasted!

I would NEVER return a horse in that condition....mind you it would never get in that condition. The horse being muddy, well I could live w that but...

For a horse to be bloodied by spurs!?!? That is some SERIOUS abuse!!!! You'd have to be spurring awfully hard!

AS for picking up only the right lead, some horses will always have issues w/picking up a certain lead. But to say you just only train their strong lead?? I'm speechless.

And I also agree your friend just shrugging it off...again speechless
 

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Your not over re-acting. I would be furious as well. I've used spurs and use them regularly on Corby. By themselves, there are nothing wrong with spurs. Spurs can be used extremely lightly or extremely hard. Sure some horses need them slightly harder, but hard enough to make the horse bleed? Um. .. . no.
 

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The bottom line it is not your horse. It belongs to your friend and she was happy?? Does this mean your friend can not judge for herself the condition of the horse??
Maybe you are over reacting?? Rain rot?? Bloody sides from spurs??
Drama queen???

If your friend was happy should you be coming on here for sympathy??
Post pictures. Other then that we only have your word on it.
Do you expect me to beleive the horse was returned by a trainer in that condition and your friend the OWNER of the horse didn't complain. She was happy??
I don't think so.
 

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If the mare is indeed in condition you describe and your friend is fine with it then I'm sorry, but your friend is no way "a horse woman and is a very good trainer herself". I agree with RD, it's hard to judge without seeing the pics and hearing the other side of the story, but if my horse came from trainer in bad condition I'd go after trainer badly.
 

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I have not seen the horse or the bit used and can not say anything about the overall condition of the horse.

If you were in my class room and the subject was math today and you were doing poorly on the test that I was giving you,and I walked up to you and smacked you on the head,Would it help YOU learn?

If I continued to prod you in the ribs,hit you in the shoulder or head and demanded that you finish,You might finish the test,but the results would not be your best work.

Many trainers just focus on results and push the horse too hard so that they can look good to the client.

The horse always looses.
 

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If you were in my class room and the subject was math today and you were doing poorly on the test that I was giving you,and I walked up to you and smacked you on the head,Would it help YOU learn?

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It depends. If you were constantly turning around and talking to your friends It might help you concentrate.
If he was disturbing everyone around him it might help them do better.
It could even brighten my day:D
 

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I did not come on here for sympathy, just justification I guess. I don't think I was being a drama queen in doing so. I am not going to post pictures of another person's horse on here and why would I lie about the mare's condition. Like you said RiosDad it was not my horse and that is why I did not say anything to the "trainer". I did say something to my friend when I had the chance and maybe she shrugged it off because she knew we would talk about it later and she did not want to make a scene and discuss the matter with him in private.

Honestly the whole thing knocked me off my feet. I have known my friend for quite some time and I would even call her the best friend that I have right now. I have seen her training methods and there has never been anything that I have seen that I strongly disagree with. From time to time there will be something that I do differently but nothing major. I ride with her often and have even gotten advice from her about my own horses.

I am going to talk to her about it again. I don't like to confrontational but I am going to confront her about it. I did not feel like right then was the time or even my place to express my opinions. It is my place when I will be working with that horse later on. As it was I was about to leave as I was already running late, not a great time to discuss anything in depth.
 
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