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I told y'all about my daughter's trainer giving her a rescue horse. The horse was on 4 scoops of feed a day with no grass. We have started opening our pastures for half a day, so we switched her to just 3 a day (maybe we shouldn't have IDK) Well yesterday my mom went to the barn with us to see my daughters horse. My brother-in-laws mother was there, too. While we were up there my daughters trainer came up there and asked us if we fed Hope today. I told her that we had given her a scoop already and that we were going to give her 2 scoops when we left. Well, she started ranting and raving because she didn't get 4 scoops and said she didn't want no part in that horse anymore and that she was going to call the lady we got her from and see what she wants to do. I said you do what you have to do, but nobody is going to take the effing horse from my daughter. My mom spoke up and said don't worry the horse will get fed and she told my mother to shut up that this is none of her business :shock:. Of course I told her not to talk to my mother like that. It went on and on. Well, last night Hope's previous owner calls me (she runs a rescue). She wants to make us sign a contract now and she said Hope needs 6 scoops of grain now instead of 4 (although she hasn't lost any weight), she also said that she can't be ridden (which my daughter has been doing because her trainer told her that's what Hope needs), instead she needs to be lunged. She also said that we will not be able to move Hope unless she gives us permission (we are boarding right now, but do plan on getting our own place). When we originally got Hope, she said we could move her we just had to let her know where we were moving her to. At this point I am very hesitant to sign a contract because her instructions have been changed already. I am concerned that she will be able to take her whenever she wants if I do that. I have the card that my daughters trainer gave her when she gave her Hope, so that should be proof that the horse belongs to my daughter. I'm also going to have the vet out and give us feeding instructions, exercise instructions and advice on wether or not she is rideable. What would you do in this situation?
 

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I'd cut my losses and find another horse I could own outright without all the attendant drama, as well as find another barn.

No way would I sign any contract after the fact, nor would I stay with a trainer who acts like that in front of a child.

This may turn out to be an emotionally expensive lesson for you and your daughter, but you should NEVER take on an animal for which you haven't received a bill of sale, even if it's for $1.00.

I got JJ for nothing. He wasn't a rescue, but the idea is the same. His previous owner drew up a bill of sale for $1.00 and we both signed it. I didn't give her a dollar, but this makes my ownership legal and binding.

If you want to fight this, you may have to get the courts and attorneys involved. However, if the trainer 'gave' your daughter the horse without the express permission of the rescue from where it came, you may have to give up the animal.

If there's a rescue involved, the legal system may determine that the horse belongs to them and not you.

Do you really want to have a court battle and pay through the nose for legal fees over a free horse? I wouldn't. There are plenty of good horses out there for minimal cost or even free.

Why waste your time and money trying to prove that you're 'right' and the rescue and trainer are 'wrong'?

Yeah, it stinks that a child is probably going to lose her horse, but it was up to you as her parent to make sure this didn't happen. Never trust anyone with a verbal-only agreement. If you don't get things in writing, situations like these can and will happen.

I feel badly for you, I really do, but many times we have to learn lessons the hard way.
 

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I agree that if the "rescue" is going to dictate how much the horse needs to be fed regardless of current body condition, turn out arrangement, and access to hay, just find another horse that you can make your own decisions about.
 

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First, if you want to get your daughter a horse, spend a little money and BUY her a good safe older horse that she can learn on. Don't get some dink from a trainer that may or may not be safe to ride.

Second, I would load the horse up and take it right back to the rescue and tell them they can feed it any way they want because it is all thiers. I despise rescues for that very reason. If I am spending my money on a horse then I will decide what and when to feed it and I will house it wherever I want to. I will not sign a contract that limits my rights to do with the horse as I want or requires that I get anyones permission to do what I think is best for my horse.
 

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I will not sign a contract that limits my rights to do with the horse as I want or requires that I get anyones permission to do what I think is best for my horse.
Amen to that, Kevin.

I also won't go the rescue route with dogs or cats, either.

A lot of those people have hoarder mentalities, and the hoops you have to jump through just to adopt one of their 'precious' charges aren't worth it.

I can BUY a dog from a reputable breeder and have less hassle than trying to adopt.

Rescues scream that nobody will take their animals, but they're the ones making it impossible for any rational, thinking, responsible person to take them.

Ugh, don't get me started. I've had my fill of rescues and the crazy, menopausal women who run most of 'em.
 

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I do kinda agree, not fully because Ive never been in that position before. But I do REALLY think you should get a vet check!
 

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I've had my fill of rescues and the crazy, menopausal women who run most of 'em.
Ditto...

If the rescue is going to tell you how to feed her without even looking at her body condition, and expect you to sign an agreement after the fact, then I totally agree with loading her on the trailer and dropping her right back off where she came from. These are people that you DON'T want to be in a legal agreement with.
 

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Apparently what started out as a wonderful gesture is turning out to be a nightmare. I've been close to the problem you are about to endure and I agree with Speed, Kevin and the others. I would, without hesitation, give the horse back.

I would want no part of past owners, rude trainers, or anyone else telling me how to care for my horse. On top of that, I would throw the trainer off my property along with the horse and get a real trainer not a nut case.

There are plenty of good horses out there for very little money, if any. No one needs the ridiculous restrictions they are giving you after the fact.
 

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Do you currently have a contract? If you don't have anything in writing at this moment I don't think there is anything that you can do. I'd just move the horse. I didn't see this in there but have you discussed the horses diet with a vet? 4 scoops of grain seems like a lot to me.
 

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get a new hrose and bring that horse back to the rescue... i would also give the rescue a little tip and tell them that if they ever want their horses to go to good homes they shouldnt be so a**-hole ish about it. just for fun you could tell them they have given you a great idea to breed two horses a bunch of times til you get one that is the color your daughter wants... that would give the rescue place a heart attack XD haha
 

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lol ^ thats a great idea.
To the OP if I were in that station I would take the horse back.
 

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The rescue woman did know that the horse would be going to my daughter. I went with her to pick it up and she told her in front of me. The sad part is that my daughter loves the horse. We didn't get the horse because she is free, we got her because we thought she'd make a good match for my daughter. If I got the horse for myself, I wouldn't hesitate to take her right back. As it is my daughters horse, I think I will speak to an attorney. If he thinks we can win then it would be worth the fight not to have to break my daughters heart. If our chances aren't good, then no need delaying the inevitable. Either way, I am having the vet out tomorrow...just in case. Everyone who knows me, know that I take very good care of my horse. We are a good family for Hope...this whole thing is wrong on so many levels :cry: We really may be better off just letting her go.

As for the crazy trainer....I will never forgive her for doing this to my daughter and my daughter knows that she will not be taking lessons from her again (not that she wants to....my poor daughter is very upset)
 

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That is a horrible thing to have to deal with. As a mother of a 10 yr old daughter myself it is the worst thing to see your little girl with a broken heart.
If you can speak to an attorney about this and he can give you advice on what you can do legally to see if you really have a leg to stand on. That would be a start , but attorney fees and court costs sure do add up. It may be better to cut your losses , return the horse and shop for a new equine buddy for your daughter....which will be hard for her at first I am sure.

This is an experience that I had a few summers ago: I was going to free lease a pony mare for my daughter for the summer who was ridden by beginners on trail rides ..etc. I went out and rode this mare who was a sweet heart for me and also rode her on a trail ride and she did wonderful as well. We made all the arrangements to have her at the barn that I board at. My daughter was 8 at the time and just loved that pony like most little girls. She spent a week getting to know her , brushing her , leading her etc...and then it was time to ride. She got on and this pony bucked her off! While she was not hurt (thank god!) The pony went back to her owners ! My daughter was heartbroken and cried the day the trailer came to pick the mare up.
It took many,many months of looking to find the right horse for her and then we found our Paint. We have now owned him for 2 yrs and is perfect for her and our family.
Trust me , I came through the free lease experience much , much wiser!
I know that isnt exactly the same situation that you are in but if you have to let this mare go, you will find the perfect horse for your daughter and she will have many, many new experiences/adventures to look forward to.

As far as the trainer goes.....Find a new trainer for your daughter. I agree she shouldn't be acting that way especially in front of one of her lesson kids. She sure isnt acting like an adult and she is supposed to be a role model for young riders?

Whatever you decide to do , I hope it all works out....keep us posted. It def. isnt fun when we have to go through things like this!
 

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I appreciate everyone's help and advice. I have learned something...I will never again take a rescue horse no matter how this turns out. What should be beneficial to both horse and owner has turned into a nightmare.
 

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I just wanted to let you all know that your posts were very helpful. Because of them, I went ahead and had that heart to heart with my daughter. I told her that I wouldn't be able to sign an unreasonable contract, that if it comes to that, we may have to let Hope go. I told her that I would not sign a contract that will allow her to be taken from us at any time and have that hanging over our heads for the rest of Hopes life. I also told her that if that happens, then we will find her another horse with no strings attached this time. She is extremely upset which is understandable. The bad thing is, you never forget the first horse you ever own and unfortunately for my daughter, it could turn out to be a very bad experience :cry:
 

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I feel really bad for your daughter, my heart really goes out to her. I am sure that my daughter would be feeling the same way. Good for you for talking openly about it. I truly hope everything works out for you guys....if not with Hope then with her next new best friend. Keep us updated, in the meantime ((Hugs)) to you and your little girl : )
 

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Sandy, lessons in life come in all different ways for kids. This was a very harsh one to learn but it sounds like you handled it well and something is gained from it.
 

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I appreciate everyone's help and advice. I have learned something...I will never again take a rescue horse no matter how this turns out. What should be beneficial to both horse and owner has turned into a nightmare.
That is some what short sighted of you.

What you did wrong was not have a proper contract/bill of sale to start with.

Have you read the contract that you refuse to sign yet? Or are you just assuming it says things you do not want part of?

I am sure your daughter will fall in love with any horse you get her. Yes, she will be sad for a while but if you are so against the contract associated with this horse then just send her back and find another horse.

Do not hide the horse like you suggested in your other thread. That certainly does not make you any better of a person than the trainer.
 

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Update: The rescue lady is faxing the contract over to a lawyer to look at. Maybe this way we can come up with something everybody can be happy with. The vet is also coming out today and giving me recommendations on her overall general care.
She actually came right out and asked me why I wanted an attorney to look at it...did I think she was gonna screw me :lol: I really like her bluntness.
 

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I'm sorry to say that this isn't going to go away even with an attorney. These people are totally unreasonable and beyond bounds. No matter what you do, they will find a way to criticize you or simply to make your life miserable. I am familiar with their type and regardless what you finally agree upon - it isn't over.
 
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