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post #11 of 17 Old 04-22-2019, 03:32 PM
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He looks like a horse who is significantly sore behind (SI, stifles, or hock soreness is extremely common in WP horses) or he's been ridden in such a way as to force him into an improper gait with total lack of impulsion, likely from someone hanging on his face. Navicular is also common in quarter horses, and sometimes that soft pitter-pat forelegs way of going is because the horse is sore. I'd want a full complete lameness exam by a good vet done, with radiographs, before thinking this was only a training problem.

Even going in what seems like slow motion, a good WP horse has nice impulsion from the rear and self-carriage. Your horse lacks that entirely. You'd do better to skip the WP trainer for now and get him into some dressage or working western training to get him moving properly before you ever ask him to slow it down again. He needs to relearn completely how to move properly under saddle. I had a horse like this come to me several years ago, and for 6 months, we worked on getting a true working trot and a true 3-beat canter by riding miles down the gravel roads until he realized he could actually step up and go somewhere without getting his face ripped on and shut down. I committed the cardinal sin of riding and let him go as fast as he wanted on the way home, as at first, that was the ONLY way he actually got a true lope. It was a pain in the rear, but he did figure it out.
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post #12 of 17 Old 04-22-2019, 03:51 PM
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I find it hard to believe he is 100% sound.

He looks so irritated about the whole thing.



But, you asked about the headset. By looking at his neck, one can see that he has had some time, years perhaps, where someone spent way too much time worried about where he was putting his head, and perhaps snapping the reins on him to get that headset, and so he has pulled his neck backwards.

What does that mean? It means he has pulled his head back, like a turtle pulls its head backward, causing the part of the neck behind the 3rd vertebrae of the neck to arch up, and the part of the neck closer to the withers to drop down. It's not a true U neck, because it isn't conformational, but rather a result of making the horse tuck it's head back, possibly behind the vertical, and not riding the horse from the back to the front, meaning pulling the horse back by its face, rather than riding it up so that it naturally drops to a vertical position.

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post #13 of 17 Old 04-22-2019, 07:28 PM Thread Starter
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Another horse, I am wondering what your thoughts are on this other particular horses’ lope?
https://youtu.be/ivbYvWdrDGQ
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Well, the horse has a canter that is almost a 'trope'.

The horse tropes going to the right, and 'hops' going left. Notice that going left, his hind legs are moving almost in unison? as in a 'hop'.


Sorry, but to me it looks very uncomfortable.
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Thank you, I’m trying to better verse myself in the correct movement if the lope!
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post #16 of 17 Old 04-22-2019, 09:17 PM
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In your video, there is a chestnut horse loping around the arena. I liked that horse's movement.
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post #17 of 17 Old 04-23-2019, 01:42 PM
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Another horse, I am wondering what your thoughts are on this other particular horses’ lope?
https://youtu.be/ivbYvWdrDGQ

I agree with Tiny that the horse is a little better doing similar to what your horse is doing when they are on the left lead. They are maybe "slightly" better than what your horse is doing, but their lope is still off nonetheless. The horse does a bit better on the right lead for the footfalls, but I agree the hind end looks worse. This video is not a good example of a lope.


Look at this video for an example. Now, this horse often holds its head way too low (and they should have been penalized for that) but at least watch their leg movement in the trot and the lope. At the lope, the inside hind leg is reaching up under the horse quite well, for how slow the horse is traveling. The lope is smooth and has a true 3-beat gait.



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