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post #41 of 69 Old 01-13-2020, 02:18 PM
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Honestly the only laughable thing about that list, around here, is the big silly cowboy hats and the ridiculous fancy boots...



Side note: There's LOT of westerns from the 50s, 60s, even up into the 90s... that show cowboys riding on modern roping saddles that were current to the era the film was made in, rather than being historically accurate, or even close to accurate. They didn't even try - mostly because the budget for the film just wasn't there.



I always get a kick out of seeing films that feature ancient Greeks or Romans riding with stirrups or modern snaffle bits.
Apparently a lot of them used black and white stock action footage that was edited into the film. As in professional stunt studios would go film a scene and then sell it to a studio making a movie.

One of the reasons the Western movies almost disappeared overnight when movies in color became standard from what I hear.

As for hats and boots, we can spot fakes and wannabes instantly. If a guy wants to wear a 5" brim and pointy boots shotgunned in his jeans that go up to the knee he better be a real deal cow puncher from serious ranch we've all heard of. :)
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You've never ran up on wild hogs have you?

Nope, no wild hogs here!

Are they good eating? I guess not or they would just encourage people to fill their freezers? Or do they just reproduce so fast no one can keep up with them?


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Nope, no wild hogs here!

Are they good eating? I guess not or they would just encourage people to fill their freezers? Or do they just reproduce so fast no one can keep up with them?
They can be decent, I've had it cooked like a regular pig and it was okay.

Yep, they reproduce very fast. It is basically compound math at this point. Would have to kill loads of them to make a serious dent in the problem.
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Honestly the only laughable thing about that list, around here, is the big silly cowboy hats and the ridiculous fancy boots...



Side note: There's LOT of westerns from the 50s, 60s, even up into the 90s... that show cowboys riding on modern roping saddles that were current to the era the film was made in, rather than being historically accurate, or even close to accurate. They didn't even try - mostly because the budget for the film just wasn't there.



I always get a kick out of seeing films that feature ancient Greeks or Romans riding with stirrups or modern snaffle bits.
The majority of people watching these things are not horse people so they wouldn't know what is historically correct or not for tack and saddles.

A cowboy saddle to me looks like a cowboy saddle. It has to have that horn to dally the rope. That's all I know.

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Apparently a lot of them used black and white stock action footage that was edited into the film. As in professional stunt studios would go film a scene and then sell it to a studio making a movie.

One of the reasons the Western movies almost disappeared overnight when movies in color became standard from what I hear.

As for hats and boots, we can spot fakes and wannabes instantly. If a guy wants to wear a 5" brim and pointy boots shotgunned in his jeans that go up to the knee he better be a real deal cow puncher from serious ranch we've all heard of. :)

Heh. I've seen dudes try to wear skinny jeans and cowboy boots. I'm like... you just borrowed those boots from your room mate, didn't you, bruh?


There's a ranch somewhere near here and for the life of me I can't remember the name of it - but you know their top hands when they come to town. They're all in stove pipe boots with the jeans tucked in, spurs, chaps, wild rag around the neck, a Wyoming type cowboy hat (Big brim, turkey feather in the hat band), and a leather vest over their pearl snap shirts. And them boys are the real deal too. They just don't dress like any other cowboy around here, so I suspect they moved down here from up north to work on the ranch specifically FOR the owner of the ranch (As in it's probably a winter-over ranch here for someone from Montana or Wyoming and they sent their top hands down along with the cattle). Our local guys just wear square toed boots with a regular top on them, jeans are usually outside unless it's super wet and muddy, then they're tucked into the boots, regular wranglers, a pearl snap, and an insulated vest in the winter or a carhart jacket... leggings or chaps are reserved for rodeos. The bigger hats are catching on though.


But yeah, we can spot a poser from a mile away.
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The farm animals at the nativity scene were LIVE but the people were fake.
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Nope, no wild hogs here!

Are they good eating? I guess not or they would just encourage people to fill their freezers? Or do they just reproduce so fast no one can keep up with them?

As @jgnmoose said: They can be decent. Younger the better... those that reach sexual maturity usually taste pretty strong... though they do make really good sausage at any age. I've had pork chops cut from a pork loin that came off an older young hog, and they tasted amazing - more flavor than store bought, not strong at all, and tasted cleaner.



Also as JG said - we're now looking at an explosive population growth in Texas and Oklahoma. I think it's too far gone now to kill them all, to be frank. At least with conventional methods like open season hunting or trapping. There's just too many of them, and they get wise to trapping and the places where people will shoot at them and just leave and go somewhere else - like a national forest or grassland where hunters aren't allowed. They will eat anything on the ground - young fawns, ground nesting birds, eggs, baby bunnies... anything they can get in their mouths, they'll eat it. They are also destroying grassland areas by rooting enormous areas - all the prairie grass is gone and nothing but muddy piles left. Natural meadows and hay meadows will look like you took a tractor and disked (or plowed) everything under. IIRC, they're also driving out or killing off the native pigs... javelinas and razorbacks in Oklahoma and Arkansas (Not sure about Texas).


The first time I camped and rode at Coffee Mill, we heard turkeys going to roost and waking up, every morning. Lots of whippoorwills, heard some quail. The last time we went? The woods were absolutely silent except for hog grunting and then the coyotes firing up when the moon came up. I really, really missed hearing the ground bird calls. :(
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The majority of people watching these things are not horse people so they wouldn't know what is historically correct or not for tack and saddles.

A cowboy saddle to me looks like a cowboy saddle. It has to have that horn to dally the rope. That's all I know.
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And Hollywood knows this, or maybe... doesn't know or doesn't care. Or didn't. They're doing better these days though.


Will Ghormley makes some saddles for Hollywood, and he's done a lot of research on how to recreate a historical look in a modern saddle. I just love what he does, and his site has a lot of interesting information on the evolution of the American style of western saddle, also samples of his other leather work for various popular westerns made since the 90s.


Once you've seen what the real deal should look like, the anachronisms are easy to spot.
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"Once you've seen what the real deal should look like, the anachronisms are easy to spot."

So are the saddles under the blankets when the Indians are riding "bareback" with stirrups peeking out from under the blanket...

But there was also some great stunt riding, and some of the old western stars were genuinely good riders.
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"Once you've seen what the real deal should look like, the anachronisms are easy to spot."

So are the saddles under the blankets when the Indians are riding "bareback" with stirrups peeking out from under the blanket...

But there was also some great stunt riding, and some of the old western stars were genuinely good riders.

Some were riders and cowboys before they were in Hollywood.


Others... *coughJohnWaynecough* were allergic to horses or didn't like horses at all.

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