[Viranh]

I would think you'd want something that would pass a PPE after the ordeal you've been through with Cinny. This one's going to break your heart too. :-( I think you should keep looking.

 

[Golden Horse]

I'm not understanding where she looks unsound. I'm not trying to be rude, just learn so if someone can point it out, please do so. All I see is a horse that has little muscle and needs to get fit, get some farrier work (her hooves are a tad long) etc.

Gait seems steady, I'm not seeing a limp. She hasn't been on a lunge or had any work for 2 years so even the little bit we did (10 minutes) winded her.

If you don't understand and can't see where she is lame then really you should not be out horse shopping on your own, and that's fine, there are a lot of us who really aren't safe to choose their own.

If you look at the second video can you not see the head nod? She is lame, head bobbing lame, it is a simple as that.

 

[Cinnys Whinny]

She's off the list. I don't mind working with a horse that I see has potential, but their contract is a deal breaker.

 

[MN Tigerstripes]

I'm glad she's off the list, she is definitely not sound and you don't need to deal with another mystery lameness on top of what you have going on with Cinny.

Maybe some forummers can do a search for you? I know we have some members that really like to window shop for horses.

 

[faye]

I'm glad she is off the list too. I dont see any potential
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[BarrelracingArabian]

Haha I am guilty of window shopping for others :'D. Helped steer one girl away from a bad decision to something better fitting her needs and I love that feeling haha

 

[jaydee]

Her age and the fact that she's not been ridden for two years would have put me off
As for the lameness, she is bobbing but that could be something trivial like being in need of a farrier. The reluctance to move is most likely due to her being overweight and lazy and not having worked on the lunge for ages
In her current condition she's at high risk of laminitis

 

[faye]

You don't get that level of bobbing or un level behind simply from needing a trim
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[jaydee]

If a horse has a sore foot then it will bob - the extent of that dependent on the level of discomfort
The horse isn't confident on the lunge so not going forwards properly - which probably contributes to a lot of its irregular action
Yes the horse looks lame but not all lameness is terminal.
The best way to judge a horses action is to have it trotted away from and towards you on a hard level surface

 

[faye]

Hmm not so Jaydee when you go for a full lameness work up a vet will watch it trotted in a straight line on a hard flat surface, a circle on a soft surface and a circle on a hard surface, they will also see canter on the soft surface.
There are several types of lameness that only show up on soft surfaces on tight circles and interestingly some of the worst causes of lameness can only be picked up in canter on a circle. If it is lame on soft surfaces then it is generally worse than being lame on a hard surface.
I did a lot of research and talking to vets when Reeco first went in for his pelvis issue
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[Golden Horse]

The best way to judge a horses action is to have it trotted away from and towards you on a hard level surface

Sorry, *puts hand in air because wants to ask question*

Asks anyway...

While I agree that a lot of lameness evaluation is done trotting on a hard level surface, I thought that often equally as telling are the hard turns, done either way and the first step or two off the turn?

 

[faye]

One of the only signs of anything wrong with Reecos pelvis (stable but rather large fracture of the right ilium) was when he was cantered on a circle he was close and uneven behind in canter but completely sound at trot on all surfaces and in both a straight line and on a circle. A horse does not have to be head bobbing to be lame I fact only front leg lameness causes head bobbing, hind leg lameness is often only expressed through unlevelness and not the characteristic head bobbing
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[jaydee]

Sorry, *puts hand in air because wants to ask question*

Asks anyway...

While I agree that a lot of lameness evaluation is done trotting on a hard level surface, I thought that often equally as telling are the hard turns, done either way and the first step or two off the turn?

The first thing most vets will do when they PPE for soundness re. the legs and feet is to have it trotted up and down as I described. Flexion tests (see video) are then done

and asking the horse to turn on itself and walk away or trot away then horse is then either ridden or lunged - but it can be quite hard to distinguish between a horse being lame on the lunge or just getting its legs in a knot/striking itself when its not educated enough to know how to do the job
I wouldn't personally buy this mare or recommend her for the OP but if she was otherwise perfect for me I wouldn't discount her based on that lunging without first having a vet or a farrier look at her - a horse that's out 24/7 and likely not getting much attention could easily have any sort of hoof related problems going on that are an easy fix

 

[faye]

Yes in a 2 stage vetting you get a trot up and flex ion test. In a 5 stage the vet will want to see them lunged in all 3 paces in a school and then worked hard on the lunge to determine wind and heart responses but they will also reassss flex ions after hard work and will see it lunged on a hard surface and as I said if you take a horse in for a full lameness work up trotting in straight lines is a very tiny part of it. Reecos work up lasted 4hrs only 5 mins of which was in a straight line
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[Corporal]

Sometimes it's really hard to see the head bob. When I first got horses I didn't know how to do so much, so I took a Community College course on "Horse Health Care." It was taught by a Central IL Vet who treats exclusively horses and I discovered that his clientele had many race horses and high end show horses, plus a number of pricey broodmares.
We took the class at his clinic and he demonstrated many health problems with the horses that were under his care. For instance, he had us smell the breath of a broodmare with chronic colic--smelled sour--and he showed us a Hackney Pony with lameness by walking him on his driveway, with big pieces of gravel. Horses with lamenesses will exaggerate it on a gravel drive, and this makes it easier to see and diagnose.
If your horse just has tender feet he'll walk on gravel like everything hurts, BUT if it's a lameness, it will be obvious.
Hope this helps.
I'm so glad that they made this impossible for you. Keep looking! We'll keep helping you. **hugs**

 

[Valentina]

Neither of the videos show the canter - and thats a LARGE mistake. Buy the canter (as the trot can be improved) - look for a canter that is "uphill".

I would not purchase her for dressage - I don't see how she's any better than your current horse - and you want an improvement - don't you?

Keep looking

 

[taharah]

If you really want her, just be sure to get a vet check. The "lameness" could be from needing her hooves done, being very out of shape, or from the footing. Or a combination of the three.

Also, her legs do not look very straight...

 

[MyBoyPuck]

Neither of the videos show the canter - and thats a LARGE mistake. Buy the canter (as the trot can be improved) - look for a canter that is "uphill".



Keep looking

Valentina beat me to it. I was also surprised to see no canter. You can improve a trot up to 80%, but with walk & canter, you have what you have. Those are the gaits that need to be great if you want to do well in dressage. Glad you passed on her. I can't seem lameness with coke bottle glasses, and I saw her head bob from a mile away. Buying horses is like buying houses. Take the heart out of it and make is purely a business purchase. You can fall in love with it later!