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The beautiful Foundation Appaloosa

11K views 35 replies 25 participants last post by  PonioUK  
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Flair is growing up. This boy is 100% Founation Pedigree Designation with the ApHC. Now 18 months old he is a long way from his little fuzzy baby face just over a year ago :)
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10 months
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15 months
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and just yesterday.. 18 months :) Enjoy!
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Dancing to his own beat :)
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#4 ·
Thanks ladies. This boy is my baby. Didnt get him out this year as he wasnt ready mentally for halter. Had him at equine affair and it was too much stress for the young boy. Hopefully going to have him out this spring at some small local shows to start. Have some big dreams for him
 
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Crimson, I know some of them have nice manes/tails, the people who used to live next door have one with a gorgeous tail. Floor-length and THICK.

I would be interested to see the genetics of it as for every appy with a nice tail I have seen, I have seen at least 3 with rat tails and no mane at all. Here in Aus for a long time we didn't have much variation of stock, and the quality wasn't great. 20 years ago spots were considered a very bad thing as they were a sign of so-called "bad breeding" due to the very limited, low-quality gene pool in the spotted breeds at the time.

Now, nearly everybody loves spots, but that's had a huge amount to do with careful breeding and the importation of higher quality stock. As for me, I dream of a black warmblood with a spotted blanket, 4 stockings, and a big blaze (I would have him in either cherry brown or oakbark tack... I love me some red-tan on black)... there are a few lines of tobiano warmbloods and even a few spotted lines from the infusion of knabstrupper blood so my dream is not as unrealistic as it seems!
 
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How to know that a horse is foundation? I mean, the Appalousa is so very far from the original horses bred by the indians (and by the way, I was reading that the Nez Perce didn't orginiate them , only had them amoungst their herds)
Appy's have been breed with qh's and thbd's and ? 'til who knows what the original appys looked like. Are there any appys that descend directly from the original indian ponies without major adulteration?
 
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How to know that a horse is foundation? I mean, the Appalousa is so very far from the original horses bred by the indians (and by the way, I was reading that the Nez Perce didn't orginiate them , only had them amoungst their herds)
Appy's have been breed with qh's and thbd's and ? 'til who knows what the original appys looked like. Are there any appys that descend directly from the original indian ponies without major adulteration?
Foundation means that it has a pedigree that is appy to appy over many generations. When they were trying to save the breed they did cross in arabians, morgans, QH and SOME TB. There were just not enough appys around without them. They chose horses that resembled what the original appys looked like and the arabians for endurance that they used to have. Also sometimes other breeds were added in because they had appy traits.

when the native americans horses were taken by US calvary they had no use for the small painted ponies. They were bred to drafts and large horses to make them more useful. very sad the whole story. Unfortunetly the ApHC still to this day has not closed stud books. Most of the horses you see at breed level are not longer barely any appy in them. Most are 80+% QH.

Many of my horses go back to horses that were believed to be very close to the "original" appys. ...


Ghost Wind Phantom Appaloosa this is the pedigree for my stallion. If you follow one of the lines with Peppers Shamrock.. it will go back to desert king... than to spotted eagle who was nez pierce owned.

Foundation horses go back to the original F numbered (foundation) horses of the breed. and obviously many horses that were true indian ponies were not "registered" as this was before the registry was developed.


This type of pedigree is what I and many breeders are fighting to preserve.

This pedigree below is an example of a prominent what i like to call Quarter Appaloosa...
Chocolatey Appaloosa

everywhere you see "appaloosa" look behind it.. one of the parents is Qh and so on and so on. This horse has less than 20% appaloosa blood (and that is counting half QH) as per ApHC. it is sad that the breed that i love is again so many years later being allowed to be bred out.
 
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I tracked down my old Appy's original owner and he told me that she has very old bloodlines also. I would love to get her paper work. But I do know I have never seen another rat tail App around here. He could have just been telling me stories but it was still fascinating.
 
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Now that is an appy to die for!!!
Oh, let's not get carried away...he is OK...:rofl:

He is maturing nicely GWA...has a lot of Peppers Shamrock in him. Have you been able to tell if he shuffles yet?
 
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#26 ·
OP, stunning, stunning boys. absolutely drooling over them both.

My appaloosa filly is a good example of one with a high percentage of AQHA breeding. The furthest back I can trace her appaloosa ancestry is "gray appaloosa mare, 1946". That said, she is a pretty amazing horse regardless, but if I ever breed her, it will be to a shuffling foundation stallion. I think its a shame they dont close the stud books, its getting to the point with many registered appaloosas that they are just quarter horses, sometimes without even the spots!
 
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Yes I agree. While I have no problem with outcrossing I dont believe the results of them should be considered purebred.. there should either be a separate registry.. or they should only allow one outcross every x number of generations

right now .. there is not a single purebred Appaloosa (purebred is described scientifically as 8 generations or purebred breeding.)
 
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