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Discussion starter · #262 ·
Love this YouTube video by Mia Lykke Nielson. She takes a large and powerful mare that displays all the signs that she (the mare) is a leader horse: she shakes her head, lifts her tail, and keeps her head high.

Mia gets the mare to move backward, and that is when Mia becomes the leader because a horse will only move back for a more dominating horse. I didn't know this... I just learned all this from Mia's video. So magnificent!

 
Horses are all different. People are all different. Philosophies and beliefs about the best way to address a horse vary widely, even among professionals, and to some degree at least are all different from person to person.


What works for one individual and horse, may not work for another individual and horse. What does work for one individual and horse is dependent more than anything else on the individual attitude toward the horse and how they view the horse.


Horses are in general much more flexible and adaptable than the human in terms of getting along so that in time the horse will usually adapt, at least to a degree, to most handling philosophies and beliefs rather than the human adapting to the horse.


I would then suggest being reluctant to delve headfirst into anyone's handling/training philosophy and belief until clearly understanding what a horse means to oneself and why one wishes to be associated with horses. And this can certainly change as one comes to know and better understand horses and themselves.
 
Discussion starter · #264 ·
Can we make an orphaned baby Mustang a YouTube star? Do you know and love Nora the Polar Bear? Fiona the Hippo?

Nora the polar bear is just 3 years old, but she has already faced a host of challenges. Six days after she was born at Ohio's Columbus Zoo and Aquarium in November 2015, Nora was abandoned by her mother and had to be hand-raised by zookeepers.

Fiona the hippo was born prematurely on January 24 at the Cincinnati Zoo, and her adorable journey to health has gone viral.

Why can't we follow via vblogg of a Mustang foal or a herd of Mustang foals: "Rebel" "Liberty Bell" "Spirit Breath" "Freedom" and "Westy" ? Why not try and capture the babies life's journey in a very captivating and real-life as possible for YouTube?

It would increase knowledge and engagement in a way that may initiate public support and solutions for 100,000 horses.
 
...Mia gets the mare to move backward, and that is when Mia becomes the leader because a horse will only move back for a more dominating horse...
I truly wish it was so simple! But horses will move back for a variety of reasons and dominance isn't even close to the same as being a leader. I wouldn't let Mia work my horses.
 
Discussion starter · #266 ·
^I may have miss quoted Mia, please watch the video. Uhmmm... some day I'm going to get me my own wild Mustang and give training a try!?!

Found this article:

"Nearly 20 years ago, there were up to 14 horse slaughter plants operating in the United States. The number was gradually reduced due to diminishing foreign demand for horse meat starting in the early 1990s.

Today, due to a mixture of federal USDA inspection appropriation cuts (now rescinded) and state legislation and court rulings, there are no horse slaughter plants currently operating in the US.

However, last year alone (2011), 133,241 American horses were shipped across country borders to be slaughtered."
https://www.habitatforhorses.org/horse-slaughter-the-truth-revealed-history-part-i/
 
Discussion starter · #267 ·
Discussion starter · #269 ·
Horse Dilemma & Why Mustang Vocational Schools are a Great Idea

Where to go to select my horse? California, Arizona, Oregon, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Florida, Colorado, Montana, South Dakota or Texas? Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, Florida, Maryland, Virginia or North Carolina? Gosh, lots of states have them.

Uhm I have no experience and no place to keep it while training or for the rest of its life, but it would be nice to have a horse.

Okay, let's say I find my horse and a place to train it and I successfully train it. How do I leave it? Where do I leave it? I can't walk away I'm now extremely attached to my horse (just like I am to my dog), but the horse doesn't fit into the car. Bummer. It lives for 30 years, and the burro I have fallen in love with and have adopted lives even longer.

If America establishes Mustang Vocational Schools, all my horse and burro dilemmas would be gone.

The Mustang Vocational School System would allow me to move from state to state with my horse (drive it or ride it), take classes on horsemanship, have supervised horse training sessions, and the system would provide me with flexibility to come and go with or without my horse knowing it has a caring place to live for its lifetime.

Uhm financing for my horse still needs to be worked out.
 
Yep. Pressure from people against slaughtering horses caused the closure of the US slaughterhouses, precisely because the USDA removed funding for the inspectors. The other problem with slaughtering horses is that the head catch used for cattle often does not work on horses due to their longer necks, and as a horse moves his head, the captive bolt misses, and he's still alive when he's hoisted up and bled out. In order to have humane horse slaughter, you need specialized equipment and workers, which no slaughterhouse wants to pay for-- they want to be able to do horses on Monday morning and cattle Monday afternoon.



150 years ago, every community, even the small ones, had a knacker, butcher, or abbatoir who slaughtered horses. They were usually led in, grain dumped in feeder, and the horse was shot in the head or pole-axed. Meat was sold cheaply at the butchers, sold as dog food, ground and given to prisons, schools, hospitals, etc. Hides made robes, mittens, and furniture. Hooves and bones were boiled for gelatin and glue. It wasn't usually viewed negatively-- there were a lot of horses, and working families could not afford to keep animals that were too old or lame to be useful. Being 'sent down the lane' was the chosen end for the vast majority of horses, and nobody saw much wrong with it. Yes, it was unpleasant to think of the steady parade of horses dying there, but what else could you do with them? The alternative was leaving them to rot in the streets or mound up in ditches and fields. It was a necessary service, and most butchers, while not soft-hearted, were quick and experienced and the animals in their charge met a swift end. That's the type of slaughter we need in this country-- not the mass commercial slaughterhouses with equipment not meant for horses. The problem is that too many people don't realize that death comes for us all, and that the end of a 1000-pound animal is not pretty, but we are so far removed from the land and from real life, most people assume all horses can be fed and housed until they die peacefully of old age. Well guess what. Most horses don't die peacefully if left to their own devices. They starve to death and suffer greatly their last months. Starving is excruciatingly painful. If they happen to have enough teeth to chew, perhaps their legs ache and hooves hurt and they stand on arthritic knees and foundered hooves for years with no relief because they can still get around and get just enough to eat and drink to stay alive. They die of anemia bitten by thousands of ticks. They get trapped in mud, break their legs, or go down and are eaten piecemeal by scavengers when not all the way expired even in the absence of large predators. They die in agony over a course of days trying to birth a hiplocked foal. The creek dries up and they dehydrate.... an old or injured horse left to his own devices dies alone and in pain and stressed and it takes a very long time to die. Most old horses do not just lie down and peacefully go to sleep. Anyone with a clue knows that, but the general public does not. A quick end is the best most horses can look forward to at the end of their lives, and that's just the way it is. A rifle at the butcher or a quick injection at the vet is a kindness. A 2-hour trip to a US slaughterhouse that is inspected with trained workers or local butcher to be turned into dog meat is preferably to a 2-day trip across the border to a Mexican slaughterhouse with no regulation. But our culture is so afraid of death, we want to close our eyes to the fact that it's a needed service that we don't want to think about or see, and in return the animals suffer.

"Doing what's right by the mustangs" may in fact be a quick, low-stress death for the good of the land AND the future of the horses still on the ranges.
You said it for me.
 
Uhm I have no experience and no place to keep it while training or for the rest of its life, but it would be nice to have a horse.

Okay, let's say I find my horse and a place to train it and I successfully train it. How do I leave it? Where do I leave it? I can't walk away I'm now extremely attached to my horse (just like I am to my dog), but the horse doesn't fit into the car. Bummer. It lives for 30 years, and the burro I have fallen in love with and have adopted lives even longer.

Uhm financing for my horse still needs to be worked out.
And that, therein, is the reason most people don't want a mustang when they could have a marketable horse instead. I'd be all over your vocational school, but I'd put my registered horses there instead :)
 
Discussion starter · #272 ·
^ all horses are welcomed! I've moved on from YouTube to Netflix. Yes, contacted Netflix about making a TV series.

NetFlix ideas:
1. East Coast city gal takes off with her rambunctious dog in her economy car in search of the wild Mustangs.
2. "What a Long Strange Trip It's Been!" The drive across the country and the searching and finding of so many horses.
3. The more she discovers about the current state-of-affair of the Wild Horses it seems too overwhelmed of a problem and its just horses and more horses in pens and in the wild.
4. It may seem like a daunting task, but she's a city girl, and she's use to solving hard problems.
5. She vows to make life better for all: the wild horses, the native species, the ranchers and their livestock, the human recreationors, and the fragile and overgrazed-overused ecosystems.
6. First stop is to the General Store for the proper attire: kick-vest, old fashion ridding helmet, gloves, cowgirl shirt and pants, and of course modern-day, comfortable cowgirl boots! Now she's ready to revamp America's antiquated Wild Horse management.
7. To be continued.
 
Discussion starter · #274 ·
Horses & Drugs at the Hands of Men

Toxicity of Horse Meat ASPCA, Animal Welfare Institute, The Humane Society of the US
https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/default/files/docs/toxicity-of-horse-meat.pdf

How Safe Is That Horse Meat? by Vickery Eckhoff Forbes Jun 18, 2012, 11:39pm
“That it has been produced for the last five years in Canada and Mexico instead of the U.S. has complicated an otherwise straightforward food-safety concern: the prevalence of a legal drug in the U.S. horse population that causes fatal cancers in humans. The U.S. official response has been classic: out of sight, out of mind.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/vickeryeckhoff/2012/06/18/how-safe-is-that-horse-meat/#580f23da1c77

Hi. Every time I think there isn't anything else to learn, I discover new aspects of this very complex and controversial issue.
 
Discussion starter · #276 ·
In 2012 a couple bought 70 acres in Eugene, Oregon and turned it into a horse rescue.

“I didn’t know there were so many homeless or free horses… we’re making a small dent … feels like we’re bailing out the boat with a thimble.”

-Owner at 8:07 in Forever Home - The Oregon Horse Rescue Story YouTube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=lyKzqytesdk
 
Discussion starter · #277 ·
^ I'm feeling a bit fatalistic again, but this time it's topped with big dollops of bleakness, depression, and discouragement.

In 2011 the Equine Network partnered with The American Horse Council’s Unwanted Horse Coalition and created A Home for Every Horse support site.

A Home for Every Horse is committed to ... find forever homes for America’s 170,000 to 200,000 horses in need of care and shelter.

https://ahomeforeveryhorse.com

My question to 'A Home For Every Horse' is does the 200,000 include the 100,000 Mustangs that need care and shelter?
 
At some point, I believe, a person is faced with either accepting the world as it is, was, and will be; or become doomed to eternal frustration and depression.


All a person can do, I believe, is simply what they can do and do it.


Does the rabbit have a right not to be eaten by the wolf? Does the wolf have the right to eat the rabbit in order not to die of starvation. It's a dilemma and to pursue it, to me, is an invite to insanity.


ASPCA reports 670,000 dogs are euthanized each year.


https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+many+dogs+are+euthanized+each+year?&t=ffnt&atb=v1-1&ia=web


What can be done? More stringent laws about breeding? I certainly do not know.


Add the escalating abuse in the area of industrialization of farm animals. It's horrifying.


Add the past, present, and likely future tendency of humans to annihilate one another.


Keeping a positive perspective under these conditions can be daunting indeed. But one must.


Big sigh.............
 
I passed two trailer loads of horses on the interstate. Texas tags, headed that direction. We have got to return to the slaughter houses and regulate for better methods. And only then look at population control. Both wild and domestic! As long as you have the backyard breeders producing horses that no one wants, there will be over population. You have got to educate people the truth about this. If you have no problem with putting Fido to sleep because it is for the best. Why can't people see that the horses in pens would be better off being put down.
Sad fact, you dispose of some to save the balance.
 
I absolutely would like to see horse slaughter re-opened in the US but only with both the physical design and inspection format designed by Temple Grandin. That would be very close to euthanasia. I would not like to see horses slaughtered in a cattle facility. The regulations would also need to include transport.


Either that or individual euthanasia as is done with dogs with the remains disposed of through a rendering plant. I personally would prefer that with some going to zoos for meat. But with calm euthanasia.


I would also like to see some stiff regulation on breeding. Not sure what form, but something. All rescued cats and dogs are automatically sterilized. Dog licenses cost more where I live if not sterilized and a certificate of sterilization from the vet is required to reduce the cost.


Perhaps it's time for horse owners to be required to have licenses for their horses. The hitch may be that they are still classified in most places as livestock which would forgo licensing requirements. But if that could be worked out, licenses for horses that are kept as personal animals with added costs for those not sterilized may be the only way to stop or reduce the requirement or need for slaughter or euthanasia.


There is a cowboy on an adjacent ranch that worked on a large ranch in Texas for three years. They bred around 300 horses per year. Kept the ones that looked promising and sold off the rest. Ranches around here do the same on a smaller scale. But there are a lot of smaller scale ranches. I have personal and close up knowledge of this. Just breeding to see what might come out.


I am not normally one to push for more regulation but I would like to see more in this area.


But horses being livestock is a huge huge roadblock. In some cases it'd be almost like trying to limit the number of beef going to slaughter.


As in, "They're just horses".
 
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